How bad is it when managers do deliveries or sort mail?

[awesomepenguin]

Not exactly sure where it says they are not allowed?

But I have said before on here I can't think any where in employment law where it would state a manager is not allowed to cover the work of staff should the need arise.

[Lincox]

There is something in one of the agreements regarding potential for OPGs to increase their earnings . If that is the case and a manager is not providing that opportunity then there could be an argument to say that he is operating outside of his remit as a manager. However, if he is unable to get the work done within his staffing capacities and decides to help out with the workload, this is not working against any agreement that CWU members have with the employer.

[ted_e_bear]

If more managers did a round regularly, they probably wouldn't be as supportive of continuous change in deliveries, as they are now.
The job's gone too far down the shitter for me to think like nothing's happened and it's 1990 once again, and give a toss about managers doing something to actually earn their pay and bonuses.

Absolutely.

Every manager should do three full weeks on delivery every year. Those physically incapable could, after independent assessment, be offered three weeks in the caller's office or on collections.

I agree, although I think I'd up it to a full month on delivery but prob drop the callers/collections, not saying they can't be stressful at times but nowhere near as physically demanding as delivery is these days which is what the wake up call would be.

[awesomepenguin]

There is something in one of the agreements regarding potential for OPGs to increase their earnings . If that is the case and a manager is not providing that opportunity then there could be an argument to say that he is operating outside of his remit as a manager. However, if he is unable to get the work done within his staffing capacities and decides to help out with the workload, this is not working against any agreement that CWU members have with the employer.

Yes I take on board what you are saying. But too may people on here and in the workplace are under the illusion that all agreements between RM and the CWU are legally binding.

Whilst there will be points in some agreements that are covered by law (like the legally binding need to enter mediation that the CWU seemingly didn't understand or forgot about) the majority of agreements are not.

Most agreements are simply agreements between the employer and union and are not enshrined in law.

[Celgar]

Ditto. It's not a case of UK employment law that managers were not allowed to do a Postie's delivery. Until recently it was a union/RM agreement that managers wouldn't do delivery so as not to take overtime away from Postie's. That agreement has been dropped now and subject to some training managers are allowed to do delivery now.
Every office is different and I think in a lot of places Postie's want all the overtime they can get their hands on. In our DO we are pretty burnt out with the job & RM and prefer to just do our hours then go home. Some of us will do more if the office is in a mess due to illness or staff shortages but we generally like/don't mind if our DOM does some sorting and/or delivery.

[Lincox]

There is something in one of the agreements regarding potential for OPGs to increase their earnings . If that is the case and a manager is not providing that opportunity then there could be an argument to say that he is operating outside of his remit as a manager. However, if he is unable to get the work done within his staffing capacities and decides to help out with the workload, this is not working against any agreement that CWU members have with the employer.

Yes I take on board what you are saying. But too may people on here and in the workplace are under the illusion that all agreements between RM and the CWU are legally binding.

Whilst there will be points in some agreements that are covered by law (like the legally binding need to enter mediation that the CWU seemingly didn't understand or forgot about) the majority of agreements are not.

Most agreements are simply agreements between the employer and union and are not enshrined in law.

You are absolutely right. That is why Royal Mail has persistently broken every agreement that they have made with Royal Mail knowing that they cannot be taken to court.

[rubberbond]

Regrettably,it's the union that have been pushing the line that these agreements are legally binding, probably in ordr to satisfy the members that we have some kind of hold over Royal Mail. When in reality we have no such power.

[t3mcIUQWE2]

Regrettably,it's the union that have been pushing the line that these agreements are legally binding, probably in ordr to satisfy the members that we have some kind of hold over Royal Mail. When in reality we have no such power.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Regrettably,it's the union that have been pushing the line that these agreements are legally binding, probably in ordr to satisfy the members that we have some kind of hold over Royal Mail. When in reality we have no such power.

Sorry but that is a misunderstanding of the current situation.

The AFG agreement https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 36&t=82298" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which we are currently under is legally binding, that's why the Judge ruled in RMs favour. The other agreements aren't legally binding and as far as I know, the Union have never said anything different.

[Dorset Plodder]

IF a Manager is delivering a duty and does it properly, it may well give him an insight into how difficult/easy that duty is, which IMO is a good thing. However in the past we used to have a couple of Managers just taking out 1st & 2nd class mail to say a duty hasn't failed. Then we'd hear them saying the next day, "I don't know why you lot complain about that duty it only took us a couple of hours to do it"

When we used to have the bikes we had a situation were the mail was held up. We were given the choice of waiting and taking it out all at once, and going back out with 1st & 2nd class letters when they came in later. I actually managed to cycle around the complete duty in about 30 mins, so it shows how easy the Managers had it working that way. Nowadays of course it would be a totally different story.

[SpacePhoenix]

IF a Manager is delivering a duty and does it properly, it may well give him an insight into how difficult/easy that duty is, which IMO is a good thing. However in the past we used to have a couple of Managers just taking out 1st & 2nd class mail to say a duty hasn't failed. Then we'd hear them saying the next day, "I don't know why you lot complain about that duty it only took us a couple of hours to do it"

When we used to have the bikes we had a situation were the mail was held up. We were given the choice of waiting and taking it out all at once, and going back out with 1st & 2nd class letters when they came in later. I actually managed to cycle around the complete duty in about 30 mins, so it shows how easy the Managers had it working that way. Nowadays of course it would be a totally different story.

Once the mail reaches the inward MC, then it's ALL 1st class. The difference in time for 2C is built in at the outward MC

[Dorset Plodder]

Mangers always seem to prioritise only 1st & 2nd class mail with stamps on when they take out part of a delivery. I was told by one particular DOM that the duty wouldn't fail because mail had been delivered across all the relevant postcodes!
I said, "Don't be stupid... If that was the case you could just go up the High Street and nip down each side Street to deliver a letter to that particular post code"! The man's an idiot.

[POSTMAN]

Once the mail reaches the inward MC, then it's ALL 1st class. The difference in time for 2C is built in at the outward MC

How many peeps on here, including you screws think that a 2c letter can be held back cause it say's it's 2c on the envelope

[deggyg]

Our DOM is in @ 5 every morning throwing walks off!!