A National Update

[postslippete]

The CWU were probably not going to budge on the issue of pensions as its one of its 'pillars'. 2019 is just 2 years, so only a very short period of time for the Royal Mail to make some more changes after just 2 years - this needs to be extended at least on to something like a 5 year deal.

Walk ownership model and/or removing frames, are they really going to make the posties life any easier do you think?? If the Union agrees a trial then its pretty much giving Royal Mail the green light to introduce it in offices. So is that the plan for changing the pipeline? Get rid of frames, get rid of people sorting mail/packets indoors, have them come in at 10 pick up their one wave of mech plus all the usual bits and just do the delivery??

And with no loss in pay if we work 39 hours. So whats the deal with dropping an hour off? - does that mean we can take some delivery calls off or the collections that we have to do?

[lightningpostman]

The CWU were probably not going to budge on the issue of pensions as its one of its 'pillars'. 2019 is just 2 years, so only a very short period of time for the Royal Mail to make some more changes after just 2 years - this needs to be extended at least on to something like a 5 year deal.

Walk ownership model and/or removing frames, are they really going to make the posties life any easier do you think?? If the Union agrees a trial then its pretty much giving Royal Mail the green light to introduce it in offices. So is that the plan for changing the pipeline? Get rid of frames, get rid of people sorting mail/packets indoors, have them come in at 10 pick up their one wave of mech plus all the usual bits and just do the delivery??

And with no loss in pay if we work 39 hours. So whats the deal with dropping an hour off? - does that mean we can take some delivery calls off or the collections that we have to do?

no they'll knock that hour off the tuesday and keep everything the same.

not the same we will start later, later deliveries and stuck in rush hour traffic coming to and from work........no consideration on local traffic and staffs travel ..........

[Martin Walsh]

The CWU are pushing a shorter working week due to automation and the decline of letter traffic. How many complain of absorption ? Well absorption can only be done if you have spare capacity in your duty and if you have than a reduction in working hours reduce absorption. Additionally before 2009 we had no sequencing , no flat automation now more of this workload completely bypass the IPS. Royal Mail’s want later acceptance and that the CSS , Tops 2000 do more on the first wave which means that they than do not want you to sort that first wave into frame as you simply un- sequence it.

If they get the parcel machines working to their full capacity and that is a big IF they than produce a manifest for each walk which than reduces indoor work again.

Add to this Automated Hours data capture which is can identify where you are in any part of the building and PDA actuals which record you last letter and location and time.

Than a reduction in the working week is vital as if your losing indoor workload than you will be expected to do longer and longer deliveries to compensate. Hence reducing the working week.

Those who argue that you can’t complete now within 39 hours , than a shorter working week will mean they have to employer part timers on more hours or another full timer.

Royal Mail’s estimation on a 1 hour reduction in the working week based on no absorption is 100 million pounds.

Remember the Shorter working week is without loss of pay and without losing paid meal reliefs. Due to the hourly rate going up than part timers benefit from a shorter working week with an instant pay rise.

So those are the reasons for the shorter working week and they are sound.

[SpacePhoenix]

Royal Mail’s want later acceptance and that the CSS , Tops 2000 do more on the first wave which means that they than do not want you to sort that first wave into frame as you simply un- sequence it.

No chance, batch sizes are already maxed out. If they want less of it run on wave 2 then it's either all batches get permantly split in half (say a batch currently has 12 walks, 6 would stay in the existing batch, 6 would move to a brand new batch) or DOs get an increase in manual

[awesomepenguin]

Those who argue that you can’t complete now within 39 hours , than a shorter working week will mean they have to employer part timers on more hours or another full timer.

But they wont increase part time hours or increase full timers! We will be just left with exactly the same problem we have now. Unachievable workloads in the time given.

Then the reps will just keep on telling people to work to their time etc which in the end leaves the staff, in most cases, having daily battles with DOM's and line managers.

[gb93]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

[SpacePhoenix]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

That can only result in stuff arriving at DOs later. Generally all shifts in MCs are right to the wire as it is and that's before you think about taking out an hour a day!

[postslippete]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

In dingo's words...'Longer and longer deliveries to compensate'!! I'm shattered now doing the delivery that I do and to be honest at least starting off with doing some indoor work provides a little bit of respite when you know that you're going to be pounding the streets day after day in all weathers. Imagine doing a 7 hour delivery outdoor span over 5 days - because that is what the Union seems to be advocating.

I guess some common sense needs to be applied over breaking the working day up with breaks and stuff but as always there will always be staff finding ways round the system. Automated hours data capture - what's it for exactly? To figure out that some posties are faster than others on delivery??

[gb93]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

That can only result in stuff arriving at DOs later. Generally all shifts in MCs are right to the wire as it is and that's before you think about taking out an hour a day!

Well if that is the case more jobs & more hours will have to be created.
Win win win less hours for existing ft more hours for existing pt & more jobs in genersl

[gb93]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

In dingo's words...'Longer and longer deliveries to compensate'!! I'm shattered now doing the delivery that I do and to be honest at least starting off with doing some indoor work provides a little bit of respite when you know that you're going to be pounding the streets day after day in all weathers. Imagine doing a 7 hour delivery outdoor span over 5 days - because that is what the Union seems to be advocating.

I guess some common sense needs to be applied over breaking the working day up with breaks and stuff but as always there will always be staff finding ways round the system. Automated hours data capture - what's it for exactly? To figure out that some posties are faster than others on delivery??

Let's say the fairies do all the indoor work on a 7 hour day.
20 mins to load van & do checks
15 min conveyance out 15 min coming back
10 min to pouch off. We now down to 6 hours.
Then guess what 30 min meal relief & it's 5 hours 30 min
On a 35 hour week you would be looking at a 5 hour span absolute tops even with all singing dancing sorting machines
That's why we need a 35 hour week to stop the nightmare scenario of outdoor work your afraid of

[k979aaa]

What's difficult about understanding that a 35 hour week is a good thing & well worth the union fighting for on our behalf.
It gives part timers a good pay rise & more chance of being made up to full time (if they have the sense not to do it for free)
Protects the ft jobs already got & increases overtime opportunities on a greatly increased hourly rate.

In dingo's words...'Longer and longer deliveries to compensate'!! I'm shattered now doing the delivery that I do and to be honest at least starting off with doing some indoor work provides a little bit of respite when you know that you're going to be pounding the streets day after day in all weathers. Imagine doing a 7 hour delivery outdoor span over 5 days - because that is what the Union seems to be advocating.

I guess some common sense needs to be applied over breaking the working day up with breaks and stuff but as always there will always be staff finding ways round the system. Automated hours data capture - what's it for exactly? To figure out that some posties are faster than others on delivery??

Let's say the fairies do all the indoor work on a 7 hour day.
20 mins to load van & do checks
15 min conveyance out 15 min coming back
10 min to pouch off. We now down to 6 hours.
Then guess what 30 min meal relief & it's 5 hours 30 min
On a 35 hour week you would be looking at a 5 hour span absolute tops even with all singing dancing sorting machines
That's why we need a 35 hour week to stop the nightmare scenario of outdoor work your afraid of

Very thing is that is just what we need a 35 hour week for all the above reasons but even so driving a van for hour's on end without a break for meals or facility's for toilets and the physical strain on the body is not something we should willingly jump in the air for a 2.6% pay rise and a fraction off the working week. All told we need a new method of delivery and that is the old two delivery span of return to office have a meal relief and go out and return to office and finish!

[postslippete]

Let's say the fairies do all the indoor work on a 7 hour day.
20 mins to load van & do checks
15 min conveyance out 15 min coming back
10 min to pouch off. We now down to 6 hours.
Then guess what 30 min meal relief & it's 5 hours 30 min
On a 35 hour week you would be looking at a 5 hour span absolute tops even with all singing dancing sorting machines
That's why we need a 35 hour week to stop the nightmare scenario of outdoor work your afraid of

Oh I see. Well Im currently doing a 4 and half hour span, so what we need to do now is really work on getting another half an hour off our finishing times every day (from 3.30 to 3pm) and surely we will be another leap nearer our objectives of a shorter working week. And why not when they can agree to knock a full hour off our working week which saves RM £100 million??

Also, Im in total agreement with you about this idea of a watered down walk ownership thing. Like most posties I have a start and finish time, and currently I really can't work past 3pm on schooldays.

[clashcityrocker]

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And why not when they can agree to knock a full hour off our working week which saves RM £100 million??

How does it save RM that much money? Any money?

[postslippete]

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And why not when they can agree to knock a full hour off our working week which saves RM £100 million??

How does it save RM that much money? Any money?

I don't know I'm constantly baffled by Royal Mail's figures meself. Apparently that figure is based on no absorption as well. The worrying thing about Royal Mail reading the mediators report is that they want resourcing to workload i.e. taking walks out on light days, fair workloads etc etc but if its based on their traffic figures then we are all screwed.

[Spedley]

Both parties have also agreed that pensionable pay will consist of all pay and pensionable allowances.

What does this mean?