ACCEPT THE DEAL

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[quote="chiefclaret"]THE PEC HAS AGREED THE DEAL. YOU VOTED THEM IN. THEY HAVE WHAT THEY SAY GOT THE BEST DEAL THEY'RE GONNA GET. WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PEC ALL ALONG, WHY DO YOU IGNORE THERE JUDGEMENT NOW

Because we have the right to, it's called DEMOCRACY (sorry about the caps)

[BELIAL]

Most people i've spoken to in my mail centre are going to vote No So its not a done deal for Royal mail by any means I hate these roll over and die types.

Yes it will get voted in and nobody in there right mind would back against it. I am one of the 77% and was on the picket line 8 hours a day. All i am saying is that we better be prepared now for the fight ahead in our own units. Dont wait till the deals in, sort out your plans on how to defend our members if managers start bullying and harrassing us, the guidlines are there for everyone and we all abide by the same rules, if not,then follow the procedures in place.
Lets not bury our heads in the sand until its to late.(lower case)

are you bollocks

[L Tommo]

Most people i've spoken to in my mail centre are going to vote No So its not a done deal for Royal mail by any means I hate these roll over and die types.

Yes it will get voted in and nobody in there right mind would back against it. I am one of the 77% and was on the picket line 8 hours a day. All i am saying is that we better be prepared now for the fight ahead in our own units. Dont wait till the deals in, sort out your plans on how to defend our members if managers start bullying and harrassing us, the guidlines are there for everyone and we all abide by the same rules, if not,then follow the procedures in place.
Lets not bury our heads in the sand until its to late.(lower case)

GOOD CALL CLARET...... I say we should all stand now and be counted or lay down and let RM walk all over us..... The UNION isnt just a few bods like billy and dave... The Union is all over these lands.... Not just in SW19... Or old street should we take notice from.... EVERY DO and MC n RDC and MEDC AND ANYWHERE A CWU MEMBER WORKS....


STAND AND FIGHT THE BASTARDS!!!


OUT

[chiefclaret]

Most people i've spoken to in my mail centre are going to vote No So its not a done deal for Royal mail by any means I hate these roll over and die types.

Yes it will get voted in and nobody in there right mind would back against it. I am one of the 77% and was on the picket line 8 hours a day. All i am saying is that we better be prepared now for the fight ahead in our own units. Dont wait till the deals in, sort out your plans on how to defend our members if managers start bullying and harrassing us, the guidlines are there for everyone and we all abide by the same rules, if not,then follow the procedures in place.
Lets not bury our heads in the sand until its to late.(lower case)

Have you just done a union reps course?

No I havent done a union reps course and for your information I to am voting no, but I know my vote will count for nothing because to many people will see the 5.4% and have lost a lot of money. So all I am saying is prepare for the battles ahead,be realistic and set your strategies out on how you are going to deal with things over the coming months.
Chief McVoteNoButNotConfident.

[tenpole tudorsack]

Most people i've spoken to in my mail centre are going to vote No So its not a done deal for Royal mail by any means I hate these roll over and die types.

Yes it will get voted in and nobody in there right mind would back against it. I am one of the 77% and was on the picket line 8 hours a day. All i am saying is that we better be prepared now for the fight ahead in our own units. Dont wait till the deals in, sort out your plans on how to defend our members if managers start bullying and harrassing us, the guidlines are there for everyone and we all abide by the same rules, if not,then follow the procedures in place.
Lets not bury our heads in the sand until its to late.(lower case)

Have you just done a union reps course?

No I havent done a union reps course and for your information I to am voting no, but I know my vote will count for nothing because to many people will see the 5.4% and have lost a lot of money. So all I am saying is prepare for the battles ahead,be realistic and set your strategies out on how you are going to deal with things over the coming months.
Chief McVoteNoButNotConfident.

If you need a morale booster checkout utube:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrW7z6rtfY

[Oldham]

Gonna stand up and fight eh can't wait to see it

[Oldham]

The following National Officers distanced themselves from the agreement Martin Collins, Bob Gibson and Terry Pullinger and would not sign it. Dosn't it tell you that if senior National Officers that represent Mail Centres, Distribution and Processing act like this then the messige is clear it's NOT acceptable to the rank and file and our branches should say NO. too much up in the air and yet to be agreed

[chiefclaret]

The following National Officers distanced themselves from the agreement Martin Collins, Bob Gibson and Terry Pullinger and would not sign it. Dosn't it tell you that if senior National Officers that represent Mail Centres, Distribution and Processing act like this then the messige is clear it's NOT acceptable to the rank and file and our branches should say NO. too much up in the air and yet to be agreed

Bob Gibson I believe is deliveries. The PEC had a democratic vote and it ended up 9 against 3 for a yes vote just like our own vote will turn out mark my words. I will vote NO but i'm afraid to say that people in our office just think of themselves and not the future and will vote yes.

[chiefclaret]

Most people i've spoken to in my mail centre are going to vote No So its not a done deal for Royal mail by any means I hate these roll over and die types.

Yes it will get voted in and nobody in there right mind would back against it. I am one of the 77% and was on the picket line 8 hours a day. All i am saying is that we better be prepared now for the fight ahead in our own units. Dont wait till the deals in, sort out your plans on how to defend our members if managers start bullying and harrassing us, the guidlines are there for everyone and we all abide by the same rules, if not,then follow the procedures in place.
Lets not bury our heads in the sand until its to late.(lower case)

Have you just done a union reps course?

No I havent done a union reps course and for your information I to am voting no, but I know my vote will count for nothing because to many people will see the 5.4% and have lost a lot of money. So all I am saying is prepare for the battles ahead,be realistic and set your strategies out on how you are going to deal with things over the coming months.
Chief McVoteNoButNotConfident.

Easy Tiger it was just a question! And ALL votes count yours included and if you think the vote will go against the way you truly think is right then make up your mind to show half a dozen mates of yours how bad this deal is and pick one of them to do the same and talk to and convince six of his mates. If we all do this we will get the NO vote and then get a decent deal.

Yes I have been doing that since last thursday, but the response I get isnt the one I expected. People see money and go for it mate and when it comes down to an X in a box you know what they will do.

The Tiger.
Easy when you know how lol.

:lfo :cfo

[swashy]

sorry chief claret but I will be voting no. In our mail centre management are already using the unagreed agreement[if that makes sense] to their own advantage. They have transferred mail from our office to another 50 miles away. We walked out they negotiated with local rep's and we returned to work on the understanding further discussions would take place. It never happened. When we contacted Dave Ward and our div' rep' we were told it's gone-deal with it. Our members feel we have been shafted big style. Not just by R.M but by the union who seem to be solely concerned with the new fully automated mail centres. I hope that neither Billy or Dave send me another letter with the footnote unity is strength. Hypocritical bastards. Don't worry though some of us are going to be offered V.R. I hope I'm one of the lucky ones. I have always supported my union but at this moment in time, I and many of my colleagues fail to see the difference between the management and the union nationally.

[yorkie]

example on flexibility: if your manager asks you to work extra 30 min thu,fri but less on a tuesday the answer to that is up to you .you could turn round and say ok il work the extra 30 min thu,fri but i want to finsh 1hr early on sat. if he says no than you dont work the extra mins.this is where your reps and area reps will have to put things in place.as the agreement says things will all have to be negotiated with the cwu .

[Oldham]

At the end of the day folks if the deal was such a good one then so many of us would not have raised so many points against it. What the deal has demonstrated is that the negotiating team in many peoples eyes has failed and many of us have been let down. 90% of us backed the action and thought we would win the day, well were some way off that now but we still have that vote so don't give up yet "Unity is Strength" so they tell us and a unified NO vote still has the potential to get our national executive to shape up and fight, if not then we may well as hand our cards in.

[hoofer]

Is the circus in town?


I see the clowns are out!

THIS IS THE RESPONSE I EXPECTED MATE.
DONT MAKE A JOKE OUT OF IT PAL , WE HAVE JUST GIVEN UP 8 DAYS PAY FIGHTING FOR THIS DEAL. ITS NOT A JOKE.
THE AGREEMENT IS COMING IN WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
NOW YOU CAN KEEP COMING OUT WITH THE SAME OLD STUFF BUT IT WONT DO US ANY GOOD. ACCEPT WHAT WE'VE GOT AND MAKE IT WORK FOR YOUR OWN OFFICE, DONT JUST DISCARD IT OR YOU WILL BE IN THE MANAGEMENTS POCKETS, JUST WHERE THEY WANT YOU. GET IN AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS OR GIVE UP AND JOIN THE CIRCUS. COME IN,THE WATER IS LOVELY AND WARM.

You say and I quote

"fight for your rights"

Have you been a long way away whilst WE HAVE been doing just that??
I suggest you go back there as we don't need enemy's,
with friends like YOU!!!!

[dvbuk55]

example on flexibility: if your manager asks you to work extra 30 min thu,fri but less on a tuesday the answer to that is up to you .you could turn round and say ok il work the extra 30 min thu,fri but i want to finsh 1hr early on sat. if he says no than you dont work the extra mins.this is where your reps and area reps will have to put things in place.as the agreement says things will all have to be negotiated with the cwu .

You are quite wrong on that point. If you read the full agreement there is a paragraph which says:

It is all about managers, reps and employees working together sensibly with a bit of give and take, applying equally to all. This is not about employees not knowing what job they are on, or when they start and finish from one day to the next. Nor is it about anyone refusing reasonable requests. Account should of course always be taken of individual circumstances.

This is a licence for managers to quote necessity and "give and take" but we all know it is going to be "take and no give".

[geopip]

example on flexibility: if your manager asks you to work extra 30 min thu,fri but less on a tuesday the answer to that is up to you .you could turn round and say ok il work the extra 30 min thu,fri but i want to finsh 1hr early on sat. if he says no than you dont work the extra mins.this is where your reps and area reps will have to put things in place.as the agreement says things will all have to be negotiated with the cwu .

You are quite wrong on that point. If you read the full agreement there is a paragraph which says:

It is all about managers, reps and employees working together sensibly with a bit of give and take, applying equally to all. This is not about employees not knowing what job they are on, or when they start and finish from one day to the next. Nor is it about anyone refusing reasonable requests. Account should of course always be taken of individual circumstances.

This is a licence for managers to quote necessity and "give and take" but we all know it is going to be "take and no give".

Exactly right Dave Ward said it's not compulsory but that is not in the wording of the agreement but Nor is it about anyone refusing reasonable requests is. We will be on the end of every managers piece of string