Sbutts8182 wrote:Had a heated argument with a fellow postie on the shop floor the other day who was adamant that if he took his 20 minute meal relief he would go over his time. That was after he had come in 30 minutes early, for free, to prep his code sort and he was going to have to run to get back to pick up his Grandchild from school.
I think a lot of posties genuinely do not realise the union's stance on all this. No really. They don't come on this forum and unless they have a good local rep, which many don't (yes I know the solution is for one to step up) then it just isn't communicated to them.
They've never considered the whole, "let's all do it properly, take our time and our jobs will be easier, safer, more numerous and better protected" schtick.
They've never considered the whole, "let's all do it properly, take our time and our jobs will be easier, safer, more numerous and better protected"
First of all the first thing that enters anyone's head is "am I putting my job on the line by doing it properly and taking my time".
Secondly I think to be honest had we all done the job properly in 2010 we would be carrying 3 bundles, wearing a D2D vest and probably a predominantly part-time workforce by now. A controversial thought I know but the idea that piling extra labour costs onto the business would have been accepted with a smile and wouldn't have provoked an even more extreme cost cutting business plan is pie in the sky.
They've never considered the whole, "let's all do it properly, take our time and our jobs will be easier, safer, more numerous and better protected"
First of all the first thing that enters anyone's head is "am I putting my job on the line by doing it properly and taking my time".
Secondly I think to be honest had we all done the job properly in 2010 we would be carrying 3 bundles, wearing a D2D vest and probably a predominantly part-time workforce by now. A controversial thought I know but the idea that piling extra labour costs onto the business would have been accepted with a smile and wouldn't have provoked an even more extreme cost cutting business plan is pie in the sky.
Interesting point. I agree that it is shortsighted to assume piling on labour costs would have just been 'accepted'.
But would RM have had a route out of that mess? Seems like pretty drastic action would have been needed to implement the changes you mention. And to think those changes would have just been accepted by a workforce ultimately doing the job how they were told, with a smile on their face, could similarly be described as 'pie in the sky'.
fishtank wrote:There are very few jobs where people don't cut corners, it's human nature. Even the most self righteous on here will cut some corners when it suits. There are many reasons from management pressure to selfish attitudes but it's not the reason that jobs are on the line or terms and conditions are under threat.
Of all the hours we've lost in our office I can't say that 1 minute has been down to anyone starting early or not using a trolley. I've fought for every minute and every minute lost has been justified using the agreed resourcing tools and using the agreed methods and timings. Management cannot put forward a case for reducing hours on the basis of people starting early or cutting corners, a resourcing model simply can't be based on unknown variables like that.
Our "worst enemy" is a business intent on cutting costs and increasing profits while failing to understand the impact that has on frontline staff, turning in on ourselves is not the answer. Threads like this are unhelpful and just come across as bitching sessions.
The prime mover of management is the bonus culture and that most of their bonuses are pensionable while our pensions job's terms and conditions fund management retirement plans do any of you really think they would give us a second thought after this huge carrot and stick approach was agreed till this BONUS CULTURE is ended there can be NO agreement!
You need look no further than the Saturday syndrome in some delivery offices. Staff who don't seem able to get out on time during the week are the same ones who when it comes to Saturdays are out the door well before their scheduled leave time.
You need look no further than the Saturday syndrome in some delivery offices. Staff who don't seem able to get out on time during the week are the same ones who when it comes to Saturdays are out the door well before their scheduled leave time.
I can't speak for anybody else's DO, but the reason why many people who can't get out on time during the week in my office manage it on a Saturday is that our last wagon from the Mail Centre somehow arrives half an hour earlier than it does the rest of the week. This happens every week.
your lucky OSVALDO, our van is always cancelled on a Saturday and we have to wait till up to 8am some Saturdays when it is normally in at 7.20 during the week and the mailcentres response is due to lack of drivers
Saturdays are better resourced in most offices than Mon-Fri because the appetite for extended overtime is minimal. Management might not be the smartest bunch but they're not going to risk walking the streets on a Saturday afternoon or face a nasty conference call on Monday morning for failing mail.
Same in our office. I don't know how but everything seems to be sorted a lot quicker and 90% of the time I am out a good hour earlier than during the week.
fishtank wrote:There are very few jobs where people don't cut corners, it's human nature. Even the most self righteous on here will cut some corners when it suits. There are many reasons from management pressure to selfish attitudes but it's not the reason that jobs are on the line or terms and conditions are under threat.
Of all the hours we've lost in our office I can't say that 1 minute has been down to anyone starting early or not using a trolley. I've fought for every minute and every minute lost has been justified using the agreed resourcing tools and using the agreed methods and timings. Management cannot put forward a case for reducing hours on the basis of people starting early or cutting corners, a resourcing model simply can't be based on unknown variables like that.
Our "worst enemy" is a business intent on cutting costs and increasing profits while failing to understand the impact that has on frontline staff, turning in on ourselves is not the answer. Threads like this are unhelpful and just come across as bitching sessions.
That may be the case in your office but in mine at least six work their breaks and come in early that includes p/t staff it means the company get away with more p/t staff and do not fill job vacancies. I use a golf trolley now and again and find it does not slow me down as it means i do not have to go back on myself to deliver packets however there are very few safe areas to use them.
That may be the case in your office but in mine at least six work their breaks and come in early that includes p/t staff it means the company get away with more p/t staff and do not fill job vacancies.
No.....it really doesn't.
Offices are resourced on the basis of hours against workload. Staff starting early or working through their break isn't part of that calculation. If the workload is more than the hours available you have a shortfall in resource, this creates opportunities for more hours either in longer contracts or overtime.
There are two possible reasons that your office doesn't fill vacancies, either the workload doesn't justify it in which case if a part-timer is having to come in early unpaid ( without finishing early obviously ) then some of your full-time staff are not working to standard or the second scenario the workload justifies extra hours but your rep allows management to get away with not resourcing those hours.
The person coming in early may be helping to hide the problem but they're not creating the problem.
fishtank wrote:
Offices are resourced on the basis of hours against workload. Staff starting early or working through their break isn't part of that calculation. If the workload is more than the hours available you have a shortfall in resource, this creates opportunities for more hours either in longer contracts or overtime.
There are two possible reasons that your office doesn't fill vacancies, either the workload doesn't justify it in which case if a part-timer is having to come in early unpaid (without finishing early obviously ) then some of your full-time staff are not working to standard or the second scenario the workload justifies extra hours but your rep allows management to get away with not resourcing those hours.
The person coming in early may be helping to hide the problem but they're not creating the problem.
eastie wrote:your lucky OSVALDO, our van is always cancelled on a Saturday and we have to wait till up to 8am some Saturdays when it is normally in at 7.20 during the week and the mailcentres response is due to lack of drivers
Lucky? Our early Saturday arrival is actually at about 8am. During the week it arrives at 8.30am (or later)
