UrbanPirate wrote:Okay. Back to my original comment about the man who thinks he will strike in the face of a judge telling him it is unlawful. As absolutely none of you have addressed it and only attack me personally. (And you call me a troll) If you strike in the face of an injunction RM would be within there right to dismiss you. Also, you could be held in contempt of court.
My opinion clearly is not the prominent one here or anywhere else in the company hence it is descentting. Also, I really do not see what my gender has to do with anything. Using the condacending term “sweetheart” really does show the type of person you are.
Back to your circle jerk.
There has been loads of office/area strikes last few years - just not national.
Best not strike without full CWU backing.
Rolls Royce employees tried that years back, and when they returned to work they were then presented with a new and worse contract of employment....sign it or consider your self sacked.
Just the sort of thing privatised companies do when the share holders are demanding action, and to fall into that trap would be tragic (or stupid).
So for the "we'll strike anyway" posters...just as long as your office is first to go out so the rest of us can see what to expect.
UrbanPirate wrote:If it wasn’t for the free market and the many companies that exist in it we wouldn’t have a job delivering the things they sell!
and if the people working in these companies stand at a gate and say sack this for a game of soldiers they don't get s**t done.
Is it a free market when one corporation owns 10 brands competing against each other with the same product? Is it a free market when the independent corner shop is replaced by Sainsbury's local? Is the NHS Capitalist because it is subject to the flow of Capital? Is Royal Maiils 'business' in the private sector when there are restrictions and regulations on price and service?
cloherty1976 wrote:
Surely if there was no overtime and more posties then that would mean more members
That's better for the cwu
If you do overtime
That's better for the postie
It will not happen mate. What you say is true but RM are quite happy with the current Posties doing lots of overtime.... rather than recruit more staff. A few reasons:
1) Savings on Holiday (you don't get any extra despite the amount of overtime some people do, unless you buy it).
2) National Insurance payments (they'd have to pay them for additional staff).
3) Sick Pay (apparently the big winner for RM as they're unhappy with the existing level of sickness).
4) Our Overtime Rate is CRAP (so it's not really hitting them in the pocket).
I agree that if we all did less overtime ( I know colleagues that regularly do 20 hours OT a week) it would probably be better for us all in the long run. We might even persuade RM to pay overtime at Time & A Half!
My point is in our office there constantly telling us that there is no indoor hours so us in the middle of seniority can't get made up, yet they are forever bringing in people evey day to prep duties the agenda for growth surely is being broken daily in our office?, our office would implode without overtime for indoor and outdoor work as I'm sure most offices would
UrbanPirate wrote:If it wasn’t for the free market and the many companies that exist in it we wouldn’t have a job delivering the things they sell!
and if the people working in these companies stand at a gate and say sack this for a game of soldiers they don't get s**t done.
Is it a free market when one corporation owns 10 brands competing against each other with the same product? Is it a free market when the independent corner shop is replaced by Sainsbury's local? Is the NHS Capitalist because it is subject to the flow of Capital? Is Royal Maiils 'business' in the private sector when there are restrictions and regulations on price and service?
The answer to all your questions are yes. That is free market. and ah yes, seize the means of production. Withhold your labour. Revolution! oh wait, Doesn't really apply here as we have competitors that will happily do it. It only really works when one holds a monopoly on something. Which we don't anymore. Although that attitude seems to exist still.
I expected some things from this board but I never realised it was a hub of anti capitalism. Its putting letters through doors fellas, not toppling governments.
UrbanPirate wrote:If it wasn’t for the free market and the many companies that exist in it we wouldn’t have a job delivering the things they sell!
and if the people working in these companies stand at a gate and say sack this for a game of soldiers they don't get s**t done.
Is it a free market when one corporation owns 10 brands competing against each other with the same product? Is it a free market when the independent corner shop is replaced by Sainsbury's local? Is the NHS Capitalist because it is subject to the flow of Capital? Is Royal Maiils 'business' in the private sector when there are restrictions and regulations on price and service?
The answer to all your questions are yes. That is free market. and ah yes, seize the means of production. Withhold your labour. Revolution! oh wait, Doesn't really apply here as we have competitors that will happily do it. It only really works when one holds a monopoly on something. Which we don't anymore. Although that attitude seems to exist still.
I expected some things from this board but I never realised it was a hub of anti capitalism. Its putting letters through doors fellas, not toppling governments.
You completely missed the point.The arguments I made are made by people who call themselves Capitalist.What you don't understand is that Capital and Capitalism are 2 different things but you present ignorance as unchallengeable fact.Now go back to flicking through the Daily Mail biz section and find another nugget of wisdom.
UrbanPirate wrote:If it wasn’t for the free market and the many companies that exist in it we wouldn’t have a job delivering the things they sell!
and if the people working in these companies stand at a gate and say sack this for a game of soldiers they don't get s**t done.
Is it a free market when one corporation owns 10 brands competing against each other with the same product? Is it a free market when the independent corner shop is replaced by Sainsbury's local? Is the NHS Capitalist because it is subject to the flow of Capital? Is Royal Maiils 'business' in the private sector when there are restrictions and regulations on price and service?
The answer to all your questions are yes. That is free market. and ah yes, seize the means of production. Withhold your labour. Revolution! oh wait, Doesn't really apply here as we have competitors that will happily do it. It only really works when one holds a monopoly on something. Which we don't anymore. Although that attitude seems to exist still.
I expected some things from this board but I never realised it was a hub of anti capitalism. Its putting letters through doors fellas, not toppling governments.
I forgot i seen the amazon, hermes, yodel, dpd guys parking up and walking the loops next to me yesterday, WE arent the same.
FinishOnTime wrote:So for deliveries stop work at 1030ish, back to the office and then out? Back in at 11 on the Saturday?
No. Finish shift that starts before a strike. Strike for any shift after 11am.
Reverse for going back. Strike on Saturday for the whole shift if you start before 11am and work normally if after.
But we are awaiting official clarification.
Deliveries have a Saturday off.
Ah right ta. That's gonna need some explaining I reckon.
So I am collections, I start after 11am on Thu and Fri and start before 11am on Saturday, surely I can't be striking 3 days?
Curly i am in the same boat, yet i work with another who will only take action for one attendance.
There are some who are more affected than others and vise versa. You and i are at one extreme end, however, there are those who through not fault of their own are on a/l.
I can accept it if it is rostered day off or a/l what i can't quite get my head round is that by pure chance my colleague misses out on 7:48 an i miss out on 21:46.
For clarity i will strike with my colleagues but HQ really need to note there are some who are asked and do pay a higher price than others
Confused... You won't be, after the next episode of. SOAP
FinishOnTime wrote:So for deliveries stop work at 1030ish, back to the office and then out? Back in at 11 on the Saturday?
No. Finish shift that starts before a strike. Strike for any shift after 11am.
Reverse for going back. Strike on Saturday for the whole shift if you start before 11am and work normally if after.
But we are awaiting official clarification.
Deliveries have a Saturday off.
Ah right ta. That's gonna need some explaining I reckon.
So I am collections, I start after 11am on Thu and Fri and start before 11am on Saturday, surely I can't be striking 3 days?
Some unfortunately have 3 days.
A 48 hour strike from 11:00 on Thursday 19 October until 11:00 Saturday 21 October 2017.
This means if you start before 11:00 on Thursday the 19 October you will complete your normal duty. However, you do not protract or work overtime or SA after your duty has finished. You will strike on Friday and Saturday for the whole of your duty.
If you start at 11:00 or after 11:00 on Thursday the 19 October you will be on strike on that day and unless your duty starts at 11:00 or after on Saturday the 21 October you will not be in work until your next shift or SA if it is scheduled at or after 11:00 on Saturday 21 October 2017.
Night shift workers will be on strike Thursday into Friday and Friday into Saturday.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
gary1975 wrote:
My point is in our office there constantly telling us that there is no indoor hours so us in the middle of seniority can't get made up, yet they are forever bringing in people evey day to prep duties the agenda for growth surely is being broken daily in our office?, our office would implode without overtime for indoor and outdoor work as I'm sure most offices would
We're both talking about the same thing Gary. The reason they're telling you that there's no Overtime available is because they've already got some other Posties doing it! Normally it's Posties who are already on Full Time Contracts which I don't agree with. Priority should be to get as many people up to 39 hours BEFORE we allow others to totally kick the arse out of the overtime by doing 14 hours a week!
I believe an additional reason RM love loads of overtime is because IF Mail volumes do drop drastically there's no need to make Redundancies (with all the associated costs). They simply cut all the overtime back for the existing workforce. We've experienced this a couple of times at the quieter times of the year, or when it's coming up to the end of the financial year and they're skint.
Like all Wage Slaves, he had two crosses to bear: The people he worked for and the people he worked with! (Stephen Vizinczey.)
gary1975 wrote:
My point is in our office there constantly telling us that there is no indoor hours so us in the middle of seniority can't get made up, yet they are forever bringing in people evey day to prep duties the agenda for growth surely is being broken daily in our office?, our office would implode without overtime for indoor and outdoor work as I'm sure most offices would
We're both talking about the same thing Gary. The reason they're telling you that there's no Overtime available is because they've already got some other Posties doing it! Normally it's Posties who are already on Full Time Contracts which I don't agree with. Priority should be to get as many people up to 39 hours BEFORE we allow others to totally kick the arse out of the overtime by doing 14 hours a week!
I believe an additional reason RM love loads of overtime is because IF Mail volumes do drop drastically there's no need to make Redundancies (with all the associated costs). They simply cut all the overtime back for the existing workforce. We've experienced this a couple of times at the quieter times of the year, or when it's coming up to the end of the financial year and they're skint.
Remember the days 20 years ago no more overtime and no vr anymore. Don't think that's happened
