CWU Facebook : BALLOT RESULT WE DID IT. 89.1% YES 73.7% turnout

[Brandy]

Just remember
Without the postie there will be no Royal Mail,
Without the postie all the mail will fail,
Without the postie the public will wail
Just remember the postie is the face
of Royal Mail.


Sorry I am not much of a poet,well done to all you posties!

[Brandy]

Sorry meant to add that without the postie those at the top would not have a job and this result has shown them that you are sick of the appalling way you are treated.
I know I am out,but am so pleased for you all.

[needadvice]

Rexit

[labbloke]

Big it up for Terry. Dave and the comms team and local reps who have played a blinder

[rocksausage]

Is it correct that the cwu will have to go through mediation with rm, before calling for strike action, as they signed an agreement in 2013 agreeing to do so?

[Nickvilla20]

I think mediation has already taken place with acas being involved

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Is it correct that the cwu will have to go through mediation with rm, before calling for strike action, as they signed an agreement in 2013 agreeing to do so?

Depends, if the CWU call a strike then the Agenda For Growth Agreement kicks in

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

However, the same agreement mentions only 1 month of disagreement nationally before mediators are called in

Where there is a national disagreement relating to a matter that is not covered by existing collective agreements, it will be similarly referred if an agreed way forward is not found within one month.

[rocksausage]

Is it correct that the cwu will have to go through mediation with rm, before calling for strike action, as they signed an agreement in 2013 agreeing to do so?

Depends, if the CWU call a strike then the Agenda For Growth Agreement kicks in

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

However, the same agreement mentions only 1 month of disagreement nationally before mediators are called in

Where there is a national disagreement relating to a matter that is not covered by existing collective agreements, it will be similarly referred if an agreed way forward is not found within one month.

Has the 2013 agenda for growth agreement not become void, rm having broken this agreement with executive action, in closing the pension plan in march 2018?

[kingeric]

Is it correct that the cwu will have to go through mediation with rm, before calling for strike action, as they signed an agreement in 2013 agreeing to do so?

Depends, if the CWU call a strike then the Agenda For Growth Agreement kicks in

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

However, the same agreement mentions only 1 month of disagreement nationally before mediators are called in

Where there is a national disagreement relating to a matter that is not covered by existing collective agreements, it will be similarly referred if an agreed way forward is not found within one month.

What does this actually mean? We got a hangout today about this too. especially the bit about protections not continuining?

What can we expect from this?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Has the 2013 agenda for growth agreement not become void, rm having broken this agreement with executive action, in closing the pension plan in march 2018?

That has been denied by Royal Mail as apparently, they are keeping their promise during privatisation that no changes would be made till 2018.

What does this actually mean? We got a handout today about this too. especially the bit about protections, not continuining?

What can we expect from this?

What does it mean - nothing yet we'll have to see how the CWU play it, but as notification of a strike cancels the agreement then the CWU is not really hamstrung by the agreement anyway. It may focus minds though.

What can we expect - from Royal Mail more smoke and mirrors, more RMTV and more pleading. From the CWU hopefully a bit of clarification on this point and regular updates via FB and RMC.

[cloherty1976]

Has the 2013 agenda for growth agreement not become void, rm having broken this agreement with executive action, in closing the pension plan in march 2018?

That has been denied by Royal Mail as apparently, they are keeping their promise during privatisation that no changes would be made till 2018.

What does this actually mean? We got a handout today about this too. especially the bit about protections, not continuining?

What can we expect from this?

What does it mean - nothing yet we'll have to see how the CWU play it, but as notification of a strike cancels the agreement then the CWU is not really hamstrung by the agreement anyway. It may focus minds though.

What can we expect - from Royal Mail more smoke and mirrors, more RMTV and more pleading. From the CWU hopefully a bit of clarification on this point and regular updates via FB and RMC.

To me if they go past 2018 they have not broken there agreement. Surely there lawyers would have looked into this.
If we go on strike maybe we will brake agreement.what this means and implications I don't know but I am sure the union lawyers are advising on this situation. Lawyers look like they will be earning there money on both sides..

[daveyeff]

a straight question to dingo then. how true is it what RM are actually saying about this agenda for growth agreement, and the rules on the dispute procedures? they are actually suggesting we cannot go on strike until ''external mediation' (acas) has been completed. this will take upto at least crimbo. and beyond. I know in my own mind they are talking absolute crap, but can you clarify it is total garbage dingo!! can they block the strike until after Christmas with this 'no strike' deal signed in the AFG agreement in 2013.

[LaggyBand]

So this talk of black Friday dates in the press is pure speculation? People are talking about it like it's been confirmed, but on here and there's no mention of it.

[daveyeff]

those dates have been mentioned but the union are meeting tomorrow to discuss strike dates and format etc.

[wannabeek]

This appears to me to be a pointless debate.

Strikes are not allowed under the terms of that agreement - there was a big 'no-strike' clause in it.

They now say we are not allowed to strike until mediation is completed... well because of that we are not allowed to strike anyway.

We're still gonna strike tho unless they get serious with the talks. What are they threatening to do if we strike before their 'mediation' is completed anyway? Ruin our job and destroy our pay and pensions?

Well.. they've said they'll do that already so we've nothing to lose.