How will you vote?

[fishtank]

Are we really going to go through this again Tman, nobody put forward any proposal to wipe out student debt, you inferred it mostly from headlines written by people not connected to the Labour party or by adding 2+2 and coming up with 5 from the NME interview. That's up to you but you've implied on here that it's fact without being able to come up with any evidence that it was even an implied policy. Now you're inferring from McDonnell's words "yeah, yeah" that it's the rest of us that are in denial. You're starting to get a little tin foil hat-ish over the subject if I'm honest.

Come up with some evidence that Corbyn planned to, proposed to or implied that he would "wipe out £100billion of student debt" , him saying those words to someone or an approximation of those words to anyone in any language or for f**k sake drop it and we'll all move on.

[jetblack]

..nobody put forward any proposal to wipe out student debt ..

I know - Steve Keen said it. Definitely. A Debt Jubilee.

" Dishonourable debt should not be honoured.

Steve Keen's suggestion for a Modern Debt Jubilee is that banks deceived us about the benefits of debt, and loaned us more money than we could afford, even in a boom and we are not in a slump. At the same time the banks were financing gambling on asset prices which caused prices and interest rates to rise. Because the gamblers had to borrow to sustain their cashflow and pay back creditors, this gambling became a big ponzi scheme. And eventually bankrupted the world.

However just writing off debt would be problematic because of how complex the system is. Steve's answer to this is to give consumers and businesses money, with the proviso that they must pay off any debts before spending.

Give money to people and business, not to banks

At the moment banks can't lend money to the private sector because the private sector is in debt to the tune of 450% of GDP. The Modern Debt Jubilee would substantially reduce this figure. Banks would be able to loan to business to fund innovation and growth. Businesses would generate wealth and employ people. They would not be crippled by debt servicing costs. People would once again have disposable to spend on commodities so retail and other sectors would receive a boost. Government tax revenues would improve, so any austerity measures could be softened. House prices would come down, which is bad for short term investors but good for the affordable housing crisis we face.




There. Problem solved. It was Professor Keen said it. Peoples QE and a Modern Debt Jubilee.

Hey - maybe Corbyn should have said it.

[Tman]

on here that it's fact without being able to come up with any evidence that it was even an implied policy. Now you're inferring from McDonnell's words "yeah, yeah" that it's the rest of us that are in denial. You're starting to get a little tin foil hat-ish over the subject if I'm honest.

Come up with some evidence that Corbyn planned to, proposed to or implied that he would "wipe out £100billion of student debt" , him saying those words to someone or an approximation of those words to anyone in any language or for f**k sake drop it and we'll all move on.

Enough people in the Labour Party hierarchy haven't flinched in the slightest when it's been suggested in interviews that it is/was a future hope/project/goal/promise/God knows what else. Leaving aside the headlines in the likes of the Mail and Torygraph as being untrustworthy by partisanship, that in itself shows Corbyn , even if I personally can't find a direct quote, knew of this concept.
To quote "he never said it" it as ludicrous a defence as Capone's lawyers' argument that he never killed anyone.
Corbyn was clearly well-aware that the "rumour" of cancelling student debt was doing the rounds on social media, and he was more than happy to reap that little dividend in the polling booth.
To keep referring back to the NME interview like it was the only time that this was ever mentioned just likens you to Baldy.
I have to ask though "if I'm honest" if you had nothing new to add, why did you post anything?

[jetblack]

Serious question - if Corbyn said it, but he said it when there was no-one there to observe him saying it, does it make any sense for me to assert that he said it in the first instance ? Lets say that Corbyn uttered the debt write off promise to himself whilst sat on the toilet at home in Islington - his wife never heard him say it, she was down at the Asda stocking up on the black pudding at 25% off - MacDonell never heard it, he was in Manchester with some TUC delegates getting arse'oled - and there was no-one else in JC's property at the time.

The question then is not wether Corbyn confirms or denies wether he said it - he could be lying either way and we wouldn't know (but for the record he would, I would suggest, catergorically deny it) - the question is wether I can correctly (both logically and empirically) assert that he said it without it having been observed by anyone.

Do you see what I'm driving at ?

[jetblack]

f**k me - I didn't know he had a pet.

Thats thrown a right spanner in the works

[baldrick]

Perhaps the Pope said it:
Pope calls for debt cancellation
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It would be understandable if Tman and sob have confused Jeremy Corbyn with the Pope. It seems others think they have much in common:
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/137870 ... in_common/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That might be why the DUP don't like Corbyn too!

[baldrick]

I suppose they do have similarities:

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[baldrick]

And the Pope does have some left wing views:

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[clashcityrocker]

- his wife never heard him say it, she was down at the Asda stocking up on the black pudding at 25% off -

Vegetarian black pudding?

[baldrick]

- his wife never heard him say it, she was down at the Asda stocking up on the black pudding at 25% off -

Vegetarian black pudding?

Of course.

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[Tman]

All gone very quiet on the back-slapping in-jokes front.
Maybe Corbyn's latest debacles on the seeming endless praising of Venezuela and then the Sarah Champion treachery have opened some eyes on how much the Old Fraud really understands, and how suited The Dear One would be to the role of PM?
May's feckin' useless, but that tw*t would take it to a whole new level....

[jetblack]

Well, its not often I'll agree with WeeMan on anything, but I have to say that the whole business of Sarah Champion's resignation was pretty shocking to my mind. JC should have backed her up - she didn't, after all, say anything that wasn't true.
Its come to something when uttering the truth leads to your own job loss.
That will not go down well at all in Labour heartlands Jeremy.

Suppose we had to disagree on something, sometime.

[k979aaa]

The biggest thing that divides our nation is not race or colour or even religion but the divide between rich and poor and power and greed as they go hand in hand!

[Lounge Lizard]

Well, its not often I'll agree with WeeMan on anything, but I have to say that the whole business of Sarah Champion's resignation was pretty shocking to my mind. JC should have backed her up - she didn't, after all, say anything that wasn't true.
Its come to something when uttering the truth leads to your own job loss.
That will not go down well at all in Labour heartlands Jeremy.

Suppose we had to disagree on something, sometime.

Sarah Champion claimed “Britain has a problem with British Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls” which wasn't saying "anything that wasn't true".
Jeremy Corbyn said “We cannot demonise whole communities or whole groups of people because of the actions of some people". Yes but was Sarah really demonising whole communities or whole groups of people with stating something that's generally accepted as being true ?

[bmccoll]

If this was reversed "Britain has a problem with British white men raping and exploiting British Pakistani girls", what would Corbyn and his Labour lackeys say then...