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Poll : Are we all ready for a National Strike?

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.

Are you ready for a National Strike?

Yes:
784
85%
No:
142
15%
 
Total votes: 926

fishtank
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Post by fishtank »

People want later delivery when they are not at work.
No they don't, shift patterns mean that most people no longer do the Mon-Fri 9-5 thing anyway, what people actually want is same day or next day delivery and a 1hr delivery window preferably with live tracking. That's what's driving the later starts because that means later acceptance times for parcels and that means later starts for us. It is nothing to do with customers wanting their mail or parcels later in the day.

What YOU have to remember is that Royal Mail has all of the tools to prevent industrial action, If it gets to that point it will be because the business has failed to a) sell the changes to the staff and b) listen to employee concerns.
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Lounge Lizard
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Post by Lounge Lizard »

bubbles19851 wrote:
Phantom wrote:This message is not for the runners, strike breakers and people not doing the job properly but to the ones who are doing it properly, who do take breaks, use equipment, come in on time.

The Union want the Four Pillars - it's not as daft as you may think.

An early start would allow for more delivery of items the 7-9am window is a crucial time and at the moment RM are ignoring it but at Christmas they use this window so it works.
A 35 hour week needs to happen. 6-8 hours per day walking is going to seriously damage your health, fatigue, knee problems etc. Sick will go through the roof, but by not paying you 3 days sick will also make them a profit.
A pension you can live off, anyone below the age of 50 is looking at working till 67-70, could you really do the above till 70???
All agreements, managers breaking every rule in the book because they are told to by the DSM's who are told to from above them.

The RM facts are these:

RM want to get rid of the USO, if this happens there will be massive job losses as you could in theory have 2 people doing 10 duties 5 days a week. ( 2 different duties per day)
RM want to track you, they want to know where you are every second of everyday, even on meal breaks and toilet stops.
RM want longer outdoor delivery time anything from 6-8 hours walking, they want to eliminate all indoor working, they have sequence machines for small and large letters and a packet sorting machine so this will happen.
RM want you on an inferior pension scheme, the cheapest they can get away with so that more profit and more dividends can be paid.
RM say they have competition, THEY DON'T!, No other courier firm does what we do, FACT!. DPD, HERMES, UPS etc. do not deliver letters and leaflet material.
RM want owner duties, so you basically you buy your own duty and YOU have to find cover for it when on sick or holiday.
RM want the ability to dismiss you for so called poor performance, so if you book overtime regular on your duty, if you cut off regular, if prep or ips is not up to speed etc.
RM don't want to pay you for being off sick for the first 3 days.
RM want to take all paid allowances away.
RM want new starters on lower wages, soon they'll want everyone on a lower (minimum wage).
RM want to close as many offices/buildings as possible to asset strip and boost profits. They don't care if customers or employees have to travel further.
RM want a 5pm finish.

Is your job not worth fighting for???? - If we lose then all of the above will come in, no question about that.
Do or Die!!!
This is madness all a strike will do is screw us all. Guess what no parcels no money no jobs. Do I agree with everything no. But the market has changed people want later delivery when they are not at work. So we need to change the way we work. If we get more work and more money then our jobs are safe. Look long term.
So do businesses "want later delivery" and do all those working from home "want later delivery"? :arrrghhh
"Look long term" is precisely what the CWU has done and it is advising us accordingly. :thumbup
bigcee2463
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Post by bigcee2463 »

This is the most important ballot ever ,vote YES or lose your terms and conditions ,and get walked over by management, United we stand!!!
Brandy
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Post by Brandy »

bigcee2463 wrote:This is the most important ballot ever ,vote YES or lose your terms and conditions ,and get walked over by management, United we stand!!!
So so glad I am out of it.Come on lads and lassies stick together. :pray
Midge
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Joined: 13 Sep 2007, 19:38

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Post by Midge »

Isn't it strange how some advocating an overtime ban say that gong on strike won't achieve anything? Surely, by that logic then an overtime ban would achieve nothing just the same?

Not everyone works overtime, so some wouldn't be affected by a ban. Some work huge amounts, and would be most affected. Part-time staff on lower contracts would tend to be most affected. In some workplaces, those most likley to do overtime now, are those least likely to stop doing so because of a 'ban''. Worst of all, Royal Mail could ride out an overtime ban Indefinitely. In some offices in our area Royal Mail actually implemented their own 'overtime prevention' strategy in the lead-up to threatened strike action in the last national dispute: by 'rolling over' mail from one day to the next if people would have to work over to complete delivery. I don't believe an overtime ban would bring Royal Mail to its knees at all. That is just wishful thinking.

On the other hand, a national strike that stops mail being delivered across the whole country immediately puts Royal Mail into a crisis they have to resolve. The more days of strike action we take, the more pressure they are under. They can't 'roll over'' undelivered mail to the next day, if the next day we are on strike as well. Not only that, when we strike, we are 'all in it together', showing ourselves as well as Royal Mail that we have the power to force them to concede. If the strke is solid, then Royal Mail have to negotiate a deal with the CWU to resolve the dispute.

No-one wants to go on strike and lose money. But sometimes you stand to lose much more in the long term if you don't strike, than you will lose in the short term if you do.

To those who say strike action never achieved anything or won't achieve anything: that's just completely wrong. I've been in Royal Mail since the 1990s, and I know we have got more by striking or even threatening to strike than Royal Mail would ever have given us if we didn't.

In the end, if we fight for what we want, we are not guaranteed to win. But if we don't even fight back in the first place, we are guaranteed to lose.

Moya Greene says we have the best wages, and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Why is that? Did Royal Mail managers wake up one morning feeling all generous and decide to give us these? No. We only have those wages and terms and conditions because the CWU and its union members in the past fought for and won them, by taking or threatening to take strike action.
When it comes down to it, full-time release reps like me don't have to do the job, the ordinary rank and file do.
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Glenno
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Post by Glenno »

Midge wrote:Isn't it strange how some advocating an overtime ban say that gong on strike won't achieve anything? Surely, by that logic then an overtime ban would achieve nothing just the same?

Not everyone works overtime, so some wouldn't be affected by a ban. Some work huge amounts, and would be most affected. Part-time staff on lower contracts would tend to be most affected. In some workplaces, those most likley to do overtime now, are those least likely to stop doing so because of a 'ban''. Worst of all, Royal Mail could ride out an overtime ban Indefinitely. In some offices in our area Royal Mail actually implemented their own 'overtime prevention' strategy in the lead-up to threatened strike action in the last national dispute: by 'rolling over' mail from one day to the next if people would have to work over to complete delivery. I don't believe an overtime ban would bring Royal Mail to its knees at all. That is just wishful thinking.

On the other hand, a national strike that stops mail being delivered across the whole country immediately puts Royal Mail into a crisis they have to resolve. The more days of strike action we take, the more pressure they are under. They can't 'roll over'' undelivered mail to the next day, if the next day we are on strike as well. Not only that, when we strike, we are 'all in it together', showing ourselves as well as Royal Mail that we have the power to force them to concede. If the strke is solid, then Royal Mail have to negotiate a deal with the CWU to resolve the dispute.

No-one wants to go on strike and lose money. But sometimes you stand to lose much more in the long term if you don't strike, than you will lose in the short term if you do.

To those who say strike action never achieved anything or won't achieve anything: that's just completely wrong. I've been in Royal Mail since the 1990s, and I know we have got more by striking or even threatening to strike than Royal Mail would ever have given us if we didn't.

In the end, if we fight for what we want, we are not guaranteed to win. But if we don't even fight back in the first place, we are guaranteed to lose.

Moya Greene says we have the best wages, and the best terms and conditions in the industry. Why is that? Did Royal Mail managers wake up one morning feeling all generous and decide to give us these? No. We only have those wages and terms and conditions because the CWU and its union members in the past fought for and won them, by taking or threatening to take strike action.
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max49
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Post by max49 »

I believe an all out strike will play into RM's hands, they would bank the wages they are not paying us plus blaming us for contracts they are already loosing. I think working to rule with an overtime ban would be more effective.
Lounge Lizard
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Post by Lounge Lizard »

max49 wrote:I believe an all out strike will play into RM's hands, they would bank the wages they are not paying us plus blaming us for contracts they are already loosing. I think working to rule with an overtime ban would be more effective.
- but 'an overtime ban' would split the workforce, the part timers not accepting that only they should suffer. :arrrghhh
sweepster70
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Post by sweepster70 »

An overtime ban and a work to rule would never work. An official strike where the vast majority are away from work on that particular day, is far safer.
Firstly, there would be individuals that would flout this. Like sheep, as more see this going on, more will do it.
Secondly, the management would start putting pressure on certain individuals until they make a mistake. They will then be suspended and there would follow an unofficial walkout.
clashcityrocker
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Post by clashcityrocker »

Work to rule?
Nobody knows what the rules are.
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datasaint
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Post by datasaint »

max49 wrote:I believe an all out strike will play into RM's hands, they would bank the wages they are not paying us plus blaming us for contracts they are already loosing. I think working to rule with an overtime ban would be more effective.
Yes but an overtime ban is unenforceable, only the strongest most organised offices would follow it.
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Post by NWpostie »

The last national strike from what I remember we did a rolling strike with each functions taking a one day strike each one day deliveries then mail centre next and finally logistics so we would get 3 days of disruption for the loss of one day's pay.
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Phantom
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Post by Phantom »

The poll results are very close to our ballot results, so it would be fair to say that what is reflected here is quite the reality.

Well done. Fight the board.
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PackageForYou
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Post by PackageForYou »

Are we ready then? I'm getting peeved with the forced overtime.
General Mannerheim
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Post by General Mannerheim »

PackageForYou wrote:Are we ready then? I'm getting peeved with the forced overtime.
Forced overtime. :left:
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