The 35 hour working week agreed

[Bahia Feliz]

if RM get their way, your evr will be a mere 14 grand.....no more 2yrs pay.

What!!

[Midge]

So royal mail have suposingly stated a 35hr working week if acceptable so im guessing full timers pay will stay the same hows this going to aork for the thousands of people on 22 24 25 28 30 and already 35 hour contracts. Sureley the union cant agree this knowing wveryone else will lose?

They will up the hourly rate. So Full timers will stay on the same pay but work 4 hours less a week in "theory" and part timers wages will increase with the increase in hourly rate! Or at least I assume this is how they would tackle it?

That's right. No-one would lose out, whether part-time or full-time, as the hourly rate goes up for everyone..
Simples.

[SpacePhoenix]

Don't know about DOs but in MCs the only way a 35hr week could possibly be made to work would be to get more staff. A 35hr week won't be viable for some duties, like any mech duties

[rambo1]

Don't know about DOs but in MCs the only way a 35hr week could possibly be made to work would be to get more staff. A 35hr week won't be viable for some duties, like any mech duties

Everyone can't miraculously do the job they've been doing in 39 hrs, 4 hrs quicker, so they'll have to totally change the duties. It's not going to save any money especially if otime rates are slightly enhanced as they are now, unless you go over 10 hrs. Maybe they'll make part timers up to 35 , but then it's gonna cost em more when they're on leave. In our office at least, there aren't many duties full time that you could do in 35 hrs without cutting corners, ie starting early, carrying bags, walking across lawns that sort of thing. Some would be claiming 10 hrs on the 35 just to get their delivery done.

[Midge]

Don't know about DOs but in MCs the only way a 35hr week could possibly be made to work would be to get more staff. A 35hr week won't be viable for some duties, like any mech duties

Everyone can't miraculously do the job they've been doing in 39 hrs, 4 hrs quicker, so they'll have to totally change the duties. It's not going to save any money especially if otime rates are slightly enhanced as they are now, unless you go over 10 hrs. Maybe they'll make part timers up to 35 , but then it's gonna cost em more when they're on leave. In our office at least, there aren't many duties full time that you could do in 35 hrs without cutting corners, ie starting early, carrying bags, walking across lawns that sort of thing. Some would be claiming 10 hrs on the 35 just to get their delivery done.

The whole point is that the jobs will NOT be the same as they are now, if Royal Mail mechanises IPS sorting and sequences 90% to 95% of delivery prep, with all mail for an office arriving in one single wave at once... The potential impact of this automation is to reduce the number of full-time jobs, and part-time contract hours, particularly in delivery, but also in distribution. How many driving dtuies might be affected by changes to the "pipeline" that mean a delivery office gets visited once per day with all its mail?

Yes, in some places, perhaps especially Mail Centres, the 35 hours SWW might well mean creating more jobs to handle the workload. But in deliveries, with the loss if most indoor work to automation, the only other way to maintain full-time duties would be to keep lengthening deliveries. And there's a limit to how long a delivery can be before it starts to wear the postie out, quite apart from the other potential effect of later and later start and finish times.

[rambo1]

Don't know about DOs but in MCs the only way a 35hr week could possibly be made to work would be to get more staff. A 35hr week won't be viable for some duties, like any mech duties

Everyone can't miraculously do the job they've been doing in 39 hrs, 4 hrs quicker, so they'll have to totally change the duties. It's not going to save any money especially if otime rates are slightly enhanced as they are now, unless you go over 10 hrs. Maybe they'll make part timers up to 35 , but then it's gonna cost em more when they're on leave. In our office at least, there aren't many duties full time that you could do in 35 hrs without cutting corners, ie starting early, carrying bags, walking across lawns that sort of thing. Some would be claiming 10 hrs on the 35 just to get their delivery done.

The whole point is that the jobs will NOT be the same as they are now, if Royal Mail mechanises IPS sorting and sequences 90% to 95% of delivery prep, with all mail for an office arriving in one single wave at once... The potential impact of this automation is to reduce the number of full-time jobs, and part-time contract hours, particularly in delivery, but also in distribution. How many driving dtuies might be affected by changes to the "pipeline" that mean a delivery office gets visited once per day with all its mail?

Yes, in some places, perhaps especially Mail Centres, the 35 hours SWW might well mean creating more jobs to handle the workload. But in deliveries, with the loss if most indoor work to automation, the only other way to maintain full-time duties would be to keep lengthening deliveries. And there's a limit to how long a delivery can be before it starts to wear the postie out, quite apart from the other potential effect of later and later start and finish times.

Are they really gonna make a machine to sequence everything, overnight .no.

[doorstepped]

will be fun at Christmas.

Later starts, say 8.30am out on delivery by 12 noon, do all your specials, few hours delivery and go home at 3.30pm.

the DO's will get packed with mail, no one will want to work past 5pm in December.

Madness I tell ya, Madness.

[clashcityrocker]

Are they really gonna make a machine to sequence everything, overnight .no.

Isn't it being trialled in Exeter now?

[SpacePhoenix]

Are they really gonna make a machine to sequence everything, overnight .no.

I believe that Solystic introduced their XMS machine which can sequence everything some time around 2011. CSS machines can also be retrofitted to sequence flats and letters together

[mr hil.]

will be fun at Christmas.

Later starts, say 8.30am out on delivery by 12 noon, do all your specials, few hours delivery and go home at 3.30pm.

the DO's will get packed with mail, no one will want to work past 5pm in December.

Madness I tell ya, Madness.

You are missing the point, your mail will arrive sequenced and you will not be allowed to throw it off into your frame. You take out the trays as they come and only throw off the 5% of none sequenced mail. You are then supposed to merge the two lots of mail whilst out on delivery, the two bundle method, and merge your packets, parcels and specials as you go.

You will probably only have half an hours "indoor work" so in at 9 out at 9.30, not 12

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

This multi-bundle idea is madness and crazy, it's bad enough currently trying to hold one bundle of all mail including D2D with your PDA and parcel(s) for an address.

Messing about with...
1 bundle of sequenced
1 bundle of IPS sorted
1 bundle of D2D
2+ sacks of parcels that you have not got prompts for in the bundles

is ludicrous in a van, even more so in a HCT! Merging them on the street, especially when it's cold and/or wet, will be "dog-slow" compared to prepping this properly indoors. I don't believe it's going to save any time without risking a lots of injuries and a lot of missorts on a daily basis.

[SpacePhoenix]

This multi-bundle idea is madness and crazy, it's bad enough currently trying to hold one bundle of all mail including D2D with your PDA and parcel(s) for an address.

Messing about with...
1 bundle of sequenced
1 bundle of IPS sorted
1 bundle of D2D
2+ sacks of parcels that you have not got prompts for in the bundles

is ludicrous in a van, even more so in a HCT! Merging them on the street, especially when it's cold and/or wet, will be "dog-slow" compared to prepping this properly indoors. I don't believe it's going to save any time without risking a lots of injuries and a lot of missorts on a daily basis.

Can't believe that it would be just one bundle of sequenced, especially when a batch has to be run as two lots on a CSS on a busy night

[fishtank]

There wouldn't be much point in carrying two bundles of sequenced SP, that's what we're talking about. Out on the street delivery business.....above your paygrade lol.

[SpacePhoenix]

There wouldn't be much point in carrying two bundles of sequenced SP, that's what we're talking about. Out on the street delivery business.....above your paygrade lol.

On a busy day you will certainly have 2 or more bundles of sequenced mail as there'll be no way that any CSS operator will be able to run busier batches in one hit

[fishtank]

There wouldn't be much point in carrying two bundles of sequenced SP, that's what we're talking about. Out on the street delivery business.....above your paygrade lol.

On a busy day you will certainly have 2 or more bundles of sequenced mail as there'll be no way that any CSS operator will be able to run busier batches in one hit

I think you're getting confused with what we're discussing, what we're talking about is what we'll be carrying, the sequence will come through in trays, we'll have a bundle for every loop so depending on the delivery you could be looking at 20 bundles of sequenced mail but the point is at any particular time we could be carrying a bundle of sequenced, a bundle of manual, and up to six D2D along with a PDA and any parcels, trying to manage that as well as avoiding the usual dangers, opening gates and knocking on doors is ridiculous.