gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Not really. Assuming that deliveries were planned and they were all done 100% as the frame from A-Z, then you could in theory scan each bar-coded item either at the prep frame or if oversized parcel as you load van. The PDA software would then collate all of that info so that it now knows you have a bar coded item for 21 Random Street then another for 29 Random Street etc. You then press button on PDA when you depart office and this time is then used as a means to then estimate, based on where on the delivery each item is for, a fairly accurate slot for delivery. It could then send an automated text or email to recipient at this point and offer them several options.
Obviously this is a bit away from giving the recipient the choice of time slot, but would still be an improvement for the "customer" (i.e. recipient).
From our point of view, it would be more work which in theory should be great, but we all know that the time would not be properly accounted for.
Of course for this to ever be conceivable then the 1pm deadline for Special Delivery items would need to be either dropped, or a designated "Specials" duty implemented as no duty can be done 100% A-Z using current set-up when having to break off and take care of SD's prior to 1pm as is presently the case.
Lounge Lizard wrote:
Royal Mail already offers "a premium product" which is 9am Special Delivery starting at £20 and given that I'm currently delivering about one of them a month I don't think it's much of a money spinner for Moya.
who said it has to be £20 ?
I am saying that Royal Mail's current "premium product" with a two hour delivery slot, 7am to 9am, is the 9am Special Delivery which starts at £20.
They might be able to do it cheaper than this but I've not seen any proposals or intended prices yet.
Do DPD do lapsing do they deliver shite leaflets and do they deliver every house NO why the comparison why not's let have a compare delivery website not gobshite still we will end up delivering crap from go compare by UK-MAIL who cannot be arsed to deliver it themselves!
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Not really. Assuming that deliveries were planned and they were all done 100% as the frame from A-Z, then you could in theory scan each bar-coded item either at the prep frame or if oversized parcel as you load van. The PDA software would then collate all of that info so that it now knows you have a bar coded item for 21 Random Street then another for 29 Random Street etc. You then press button on PDA when you depart office and this time is then used as a means to then estimate, based on where on the delivery each item is for, a fairly accurate slot for delivery. It could then send an automated text or email to recipient at this point and offer them several options.
Obviously this is a bit away from giving the recipient the choice of time slot, but would still be an improvement for the "customer" (i.e. recipient).
From our point of view, it would be more work which in theory should be great, but we all know that the time would not be properly accounted for.
Of course for this to ever be conceivable then the 1pm deadline for Special Delivery items would need to be either dropped, or a designated "Specials" duty implemented as no duty can be done 100% A-Z using current set-up when having to break off and take care of SD's prior to 1pm as is presently the case.
Steve,
I don't think this would be of much benefit as most people are in all day or out all day.
Also I can't always predict the time of an address towards the end of my round to within an hour and if I can't a machine can't.
Probably because RM wants to do every single thing under the sun in one job. Moiya's rhetoric in the latest propoganda shite about how it's bad makes me laugh. "we now have competition..." umm, yeah, that competition doesn't expect 3 separate jobs for the price of one. Take your 500k a year for 2 days a week work and shove it up your arse you silly cow.
I was talking to a guy who delivers dominoes flyers to our village of 4 CDV duties. Says it takes him all week 5 hours a day, so he's more or less doing 1 duties worth of D2DS in a day... we do 1/5 of those d2ds plus mail, tracked, specials, barcode scanning, box collection and it goes on. RM seriously undervalue our work and would be taking the piss to "move with the times" as suggested given our workload.
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gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Not really. Assuming that deliveries were planned and they were all done 100% as the frame from A-Z, then you could in theory scan each bar-coded item either at the prep frame or if oversized parcel as you load van. The PDA software would then collate all of that info so that it now knows you have a bar coded item for 21 Random Street then another for 29 Random Street etc. You then press button on PDA when you depart office and this time is then used as a means to then estimate, based on where on the delivery each item is for, a fairly accurate slot for delivery. It could then send an automated text or email to recipient at this point and offer them several options.
Obviously this is a bit away from giving the recipient the choice of time slot, but would still be an improvement for the "customer" (i.e. recipient).
From our point of view, it would be more work which in theory should be great, but we all know that the time would not be properly accounted for.
Of course for this to ever be conceivable then the 1pm deadline for Special Delivery items would need to be either dropped, or a designated "Specials" duty implemented as no duty can be done 100% A-Z using current set-up when having to break off and take care of SD's prior to 1pm as is presently the case.
Steve,
I don't think this would be of much benefit as most people are in all day or out all day.
Also I can't always predict the time of an address towards the end of my round to within an hour and if I can't a machine can't.
Obviously I don't know the type and size of delivery you do mate. But I would be astonished if you can't predict fairly accurately what time you would be at a certain area for when you take in to account the time you are putting first letter through door. When I say fairly accurately I obviously mean within an hour. TBH, I can probably predict to within 15 mins. where I will be on my delivery, again assuming that my van share partner is working at similar pace and there are no reasons to break off and do loops and parcels out of sync.
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Not really. Assuming that deliveries were planned and they were all done 100% as the frame from A-Z, then you could in theory scan each bar-coded item either at the prep frame or if oversized parcel as you load van. The PDA software would then collate all of that info so that it now knows you have a bar coded item for 21 Random Street then another for 29 Random Street etc. You then press button on PDA when you depart office and this time is then used as a means to then estimate, based on where on the delivery each item is for, a fairly accurate slot for delivery. It could then send an automated text or email to recipient at this point and offer them several options.
Obviously this is a bit away from giving the recipient the choice of time slot, but would still be an improvement for the "customer" (i.e. recipient).
From our point of view, it would be more work which in theory should be great, but we all know that the time would not be properly accounted for.
Of course for this to ever be conceivable then the 1pm deadline for Special Delivery items would need to be either dropped, or a designated "Specials" duty implemented as no duty can be done 100% A-Z using current set-up when having to break off and take care of SD's prior to 1pm as is presently the case.
Steve,
I don't think this would be of much benefit as most people are in all day or out all day.
Also I can't always predict the time of an address towards the end of my round to within an hour and if I can't a machine can't.
Obviously I don't know the type and size of delivery you do mate. But I would be astonished if you can't predict fairly accurately what time you would be at a certain area for when you take in to account the time you are putting first letter through door. When I say fairly accurately I obviously mean within an hour. TBH, I can probably predict to within 15 mins. where I will be on my delivery, again assuming that my van share partner is working at similar pace and there are no reasons to break off and do loops and parcels out of sync.
I was meaning predicting from the start of the working day but if it's predicating from when I go out on delivery I can still be the best part of an hour out but maybe that's because it's a longer delivery than most and because it's a rural one.
stevo302 wrote:Probably because RM wants to do every single thing under the sun in one job. Moiya's rhetoric in the latest propoganda shite about how it's bad makes me laugh. "we now have competition..." umm, yeah, that competition doesn't expect 3 separate jobs for the price of one. Take your 500k a year for 2 days a week work and shove it up your arse you silly cow.
I was talking to a guy who delivers dominoes flyers to our village of 4 CDV duties. Says it takes him all week 5 hours a day, so he's more or less doing 1 duties worth of D2DS in a day... we do 1/5 of those d2ds plus mail, tracked, specials, barcode scanning, box collection and it goes on. RM seriously undervalue our work and would be taking the piss to "move with the times" as suggested given our workload.
Stevo,
There are things about Royal Mail nowadays that we don't like but I can't agree with your vitriolic attack on Moya who, in looking after the shareholders, is doing very much the same as the head of any large privatised company would do.
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Yes, but it's not much that the competitors ( in the race to the bottom ) are offering.
Yesterday at 10.13am we got an automated phone call from Hermes informing us that a parcel would probably be delivered between 9am and 11am.
"Probably" covered it not being delivered until after 11am.
I don't know whether this has already been mentioned but I believe that DPD only deals with businesses that are sending parcels, usually large quantities of them over a certain time, probably per year. Someone goes to the Post Office and sends a parcel through Royal Mail, that same person can't go to DPD and send a parcel through their network.
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Yes, but it's not much that the competitors ( in the race to the bottom ) are offering.
Yesterday at 10.13am we got an automated phone call from Hermes informing us that a parcel would probably be delivered between 9am and 11am.
"Probably" covered it not being delivered until after 11am.
Royal Mail really wouldn't give a fig if the delivery driver is having to drive back and forth all the time to the same destination or streets (just imagine what their petrol costs are now compared to pre-park and loop!) if the customer is paying a premium for having parcels delivered at that time. We can't offer timed deliveries because we are already delivering letters and flyers as well as small packets. That, and the fact that the company keep lapsing duties and trying to increase delivery spans simply means that RM would need to put on additional drivers to do these timed deliveries.
Some might say we got Parcel Force to do that. And maybe they are struggling to cope with these 'timed' deliveries which is why we are getting all their large parcels to deliver??
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
gary1975 wrote: oh so the customer pops out then returns for there time slot unknown to them rm have already been, for parcel to then arrive on time having covered the ground twice, sounds efficient
RM would provide you with a time slot in which they would ideally deliver the packet. e.g Between 1100-1200, or 1530-1600 etc.
It's all hypothetical anyway. They would need a dedicated duty for it, which would mean spending money, and that is unlikely to happen.
Yes, but it's not much that the competitors ( in the race to the bottom ) are offering.
Yesterday at 10.13am we got an automated phone call from Hermes informing us that a parcel would probably be delivered between 9am and 11am.
"Probably" covered it not being delivered until after 11am.
On the contrary, i've had text messages from various couriers telling me my packet should arrive/be collected between set hours -also with an option to deliver to neighbour or elsewhere- and they are usually spot on. Granted I don't get that service often - it's usually just a courier that turns up at any time with no prior delivery time arranged.
Lounge Lizard wrote:Gangham,
But what time does the DPD driver Finnish on a Sunday ?
We didn't mind Saturdays when it was home by noon but we're not happy with a mid Saturday afternoon Finnish.
They have no set time its get your parcels delivered then you can go home
