BillyB wrote:Unfortunately RM managers are by and large a pathetic bunch. They prey on the weak. You get the odd decent one now and again, but it's rare. Stand up to them, they have alot more to lose than you. Come in on time, do your job to the best of your ability and go home on time if you don't want the O/T. They will soon move you off the round if you keep bringing mail back.
Something they try to keep quiet is, it's actually THEIR responsibility to make sure the mail is cleared each morning, not yours. Turn the tables on them and make it clear you're not prepared to take their crap. Go over their heads, talk to your DOM (if it's the lino on your case), talk to your Union rep. E-mail the help lines, Moya. They hate it when the questions come from above. Talk to the experienced posties, learn your rights, because the managers won't tell you them.
First week I started at RM my line manager tried to tell me my contract was not worth the paper it was written on, as he was giving me thinly veiled threats to my employment. I saw through him within minutes, and explained to him Royal Mail was employing me, NOT you. Royal Mail gave me my contract, NOT you. I basically said if you threaten me with my employment again for simply working my contract, I would take it as far as I could (within RM and otherwise) and name him in every correspondence. I meant it as well. I was in the fortunate position where I was prepared to stand my ground or lose my job. I hate bullies anyway. He never bothered me again, and I'm still employed 3years on!
BillyB wrote:Unfortunately RM managers are by and large a pathetic bunch. They prey on the weak. You get the odd decent one now and again, but it's rare. Stand up to them, they have alot more to lose than you. Come in on time, do your job to the best of your ability and go home on time if you don't want the O/T. They will soon move you off the round if you keep bringing mail back.
Something they try to keep quiet is, it's actually THEIR responsibility to make sure the mail is cleared each morning, not yours. Turn the tables on them and make it clear you're not prepared to take their crap. Go over their heads, talk to your DOM (if it's the lino on your case), talk to your Union rep. E-mail the help lines, Moya. They hate it when the questions come from above. Talk to the experienced posties, learn your rights, because the managers won't tell you them.
First week I started at RM my line manager tried to tell me my contract was not worth the paper it was written on, as he was giving me thinly veiled threats to my employment. I saw through him within minutes, and explained to him Royal Mail was employing me, NOT you. Royal Mail gave me my contract, NOT you. I basically said if you threaten me with my employment again for simply working my contract, I would take it as far as I could (within RM and otherwise) and name him in every correspondence. I meant it as well. I was in the fortunate position where I was prepared to stand my ground or lose my job. I hate bullies anyway. He never bothered me again, and I'm still employed 3years on!
BillyB wrote:Unfortunately RM managers are by and large a pathetic bunch. They prey on the weak. You get the odd decent one now and again, but it's rare. Stand up to them, they have alot more to lose than you. Come in on time, do your job to the best of your ability and go home on time if you don't want the O/T. They will soon move you off the round if you keep bringing mail back.
Something they try to keep quiet is, it's actually THEIR responsibility to make sure the mail is cleared each morning, not yours. Turn the tables on them and make it clear you're not prepared to take their crap. Go over their heads, talk to your DOM (if it's the lino on your case), talk to your Union rep. E-mail the help lines, Moya. They hate it when the questions come from above. Talk to the experienced posties, learn your rights, because the managers won't tell you them.
First week I started at RM my line manager tried to tell me my contract was not worth the paper it was written on, as he was giving me thinly veiled threats to my employment. I saw through him within minutes, and explained to him Royal Mail was employing me, NOT you. Royal Mail gave me my contract, NOT you. I basically said if you threaten me with my employment again for simply working my contract, I would take it as far as I could (within RM and otherwise) and name him in every correspondence. I meant it as well. I was in the fortunate position where I was prepared to stand my ground or lose my job. I hate bullies anyway. He never bothered me again, and I'm still employed 3years on!
Well done,bit so very true about the so called RM managers
What is the delivery span in your office? If you are working 5 hours per day, then you are entitled to 30 mins paid meal relief. That leaves you with 4 hours 30mins net working hours per day. That means, if the span is 4 hours 30 mins, then it is actually impossible for you to complete any delivery even assuming every single piece of indoor work has been done for you, once conveyance to and from and "pouching off" are taken in to account. If they expect you to do indoor work, then your 25 hour contract should be taken over 4 days which would give you 6hrs 15mins per day (5.45 net).
This would allow you to complete some of the indoor prep, 30 mins for tie down/ load van (or HCT), have your meal relief and allow you the time to complete a delivery and return on time. As it stands, with a 5 hour day, assuming spans are in the 4+ hour range, then you have no chance!
Discuss this with your rep ASAP and have him/ her discuss it with management as a matter of urgency. 25 hour contracts over 5 days are totally useless and there is an expectation that people will just work through their breaks in order to complete. Please don't do this!
Why are Royal Mail employing people on 25 hour contracts over 5 days, knowing full well that the people in question have a 30 min meal relief entitlement, leaving them with not enough time to complete a delivery without the need for overtime?
steve1873 wrote:Why are Royal Mail employing people on 25 hour contracts over 5 days?
I've often wondered this. If they employed them on a 4h 59 day they would pay them a minute less and get 10 minutes more work, as the meal relief would be 20 minutes.
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steve1873 wrote:Why are Royal Mail employing people on 25 hour contracts over 5 days?
I've often wondered this. If they employed them on a 4h 59 day they would pay them a minute less and get 10 minutes more work, as the meal relief would be 20 minutes.
Some offices already do this to a degree, it's called a 24.5 hour contract. Shouldn't be allowed.
the managers dont care, to be honest I think theyre weeding out the people with any backbone, if youre the type who stands up for yourself and tell them you wont stand for being treated unfairly, then they can release you after your trial, if you roll over and do what they want theyll keep you on and then we`re left with offices full of weak staff who they can push around.
Hi. I'm now 3 months in and recognise and agree with everything you've written. I have never worked in an organisation where the managers seem to have such disregard, bordering on contempt, for their staff.
As you point out, there is nothing particularly complicated in the job and it could be made SO much easier for anyone that is put on a new duty. It's like most functions, put in the planning and prep work just once and then it can be used many times again. Saves a lot of stress and effort.
I've been mucked about from day one being sent to different DOs and have just been shafted again at 24hrs notice. Went to new DO on Thursday to be given a crappy map with few street names, shown a large red trolley (never used on before, always park & loop) and pointed at the door. WTF!!!????? Unsurprisingly I got back late and of course found that all the managers had disappeared. Didn't know where to put anything etc. They really couldn't make it harder if they'd tried.
Seriously thinking of just jacking it in. I'm certainly going to be cutting off whatever and they can whinge all they want.
Having pretty much the same problem, had no time at all with a trainer, got to spend a couple of days with a great guy who tried to show me as much as he could ( not a trainer though) then got paired with a guy who's as much help as a lift raft with a hole in it. I've been going in early (unpaid) trying to teach myself how to assemble the walk what parcels are for what loops etc every time I ask my partner what to do he just wanders off, then moans like buggery when we're late going out, now I've started going in to find half full yorks full of packages next to my frame and piles of mail as well I'm not even close to getting my walk out when I should be leaving the depot.. I like the delivery part of the job despite having to listen to my partner whinge the entire day about how we're not going to be done in time but I must admit I'm pretty close to jacking it in
Wowbagger wrote:Having pretty much the same problem, had no time at all with a trainer, got to spend a couple of days with a great guy who tried to show me as much as he could ( not a trainer though) then got paired with a guy who's as much help as a lift raft with a hole in it. I've been going in early (unpaid) trying to teach myself how to assemble the walk what parcels are for what loops etc every time I ask my partner what to do he just wanders off, then moans like buggery when we're late going out, now I've started going in to find half full yorks full of packages next to my frame and piles of mail as well I'm not even close to getting my walk out when I should be leaving the depot.. I like the delivery part of the job despite having to listen to my partner whinge the entire day about how we're not going to be done in time but I must admit I'm pretty close to jacking it in
If I was you I would tell him to F off and that you are working as fast as possible and if he has a problem he should help you if no help forthcoming explain to him he will be late off. I would also take first part of meal break before leaving the office. If you don't want to work over follow the cut off procedure if not claim the overtime, by the way there are a lot of helpful posties unfortunately for you you met a bit of a tosser
This is one of the biggest problems for part-timers who work at Royal Mail
Unless you are paired up with someone who is super efficient who works quickly and can get your mail and packets in before you arrive - then unfortunately you are going to be doing a lot of this work yourself. But lets be realistic, unless its an easy Tuesday, its not really going to happen is it. And do you want to know why?? Unrealistic Indoor Work Plans which are drawn up by your managers.
Basically, if you are coming in on time and finding that your mail/packets are not even half done, then how on earth can that be your fault?? And on the other hand, when us full-timers are faced with increasing workloads on the Indoor Work Plan, it's not often our fault either!! For some reason managers don't factor prepping and sorting D2Ds in the equation plus we could be called up to do additional walk-sorting, or doing both frames re-directions, collecting the Specials, getting the bags out of the van and need I say it, we are allowed a 20 minute break before we go out on delivery as well, and we are well advised by the CWU to take it or lose it. It's small wonder then that you are coming in and finding half of your work not even touched. Maybe a lot of managers do this on badness because they know that some part-timers WILL be tempted to come in over an hour before their start time, just so they can actually get out on their deliveries on time.
But this is a big mistake as you will be potential be giving the company many hours of free labour. Your best bet is to come in at your time and just work the hours you are supposed to do, so if you are doing an additional 30 or 60 minutes of prepping before you can get out, then that simply means that you possibly need 30 to 60 minutes taken off at the end of the delivery. Stand your ground with managers because it is usually them that are trying to exploit you.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
if you keep getting s**t on, just work your hours, if you're sent to another DO, work your hours, and remember its RM that have to transport you. so start normal time at your office,
I keep getting put on the same s**t round at work, and we're only managing to get out on time every day because we're doing D2D's before SA's
its a nightmare, and they really couldn't care less about us.
Keep compare us to Yodel workers, I'd rather deliver 40 parcels a day for similar money any day of the week.
