Seniority

[ernieshoe]

Surely those who put up with the sh%t year in year out as in seniority should be the rule? some people want it all at once .

Its not about that.
The longer you stay in a job ( in the real world ) the more you learn to do.
Its called job development.

In the normal working world the more experienced the worker the more varied the role becomes. You have to take on more.

So you're saying you've earned the right to have the easiest round because you've been in the job the longest.
There lies the problem with royal mail. They let their staff become stagnant and stale.

Moya Greene and her board have added nothing to Royal Mail.

RM desperately need someone with the expertise and know how to rip up the rule book and move this company forward and dare I say it take on this "jobs for the boys" backward thinking Union

Royal Mail is like some empty 1970's sitcom.

[anthonyok]

Take it from me theirs not many easy rounds left nowadays , so in theory if we didnt have seniority and your face didnt fit you would be b*lloxed? at least having done many years on the lesser rounds ie walks and using the bikes (would kill most of the new starters today )you would eventually get a rural or good walk.

[fishtank]

Surely those who put up with the sh%t year in year out as in seniority should be the rule? some people want it all at once .

Its not about that.
The longer you stay in a job ( in the real world ) the more you learn to do.
It's called job development.

Are you actually a postie ernie because that makes no sense whatsoever, everything you need to know in this job you should pick up in the first 6 months, it's not rocket science after all, there is no "job development" if you stay in a frontline role all it becomes then is repetitive physically demanding graft.

After 20 years or so of that we need to be looking at reducing the physical side of the job for staff, that makes sense for both employer and employee, the last thing the business needs is an exponential increase in long-term sick absence, injuries and ill health retirement. Duties are much of a muchness, rurals are less demanding but involve a lot of driving and the rurals in my office at least are longer than the P&L duties. There is no real value in "knowing" a duty anymore anyway, the way duties are laid out now with a partner, a van and Google maps you can pretty much work blind on a duty without any real hassle. Ironically the only duties where actual training is required now are rurals and businesses.

[postslippete]

I didn't agree with seniority when I first started but when you look at it logically, what better way is their to allocate the duties?? Other means like those with good attendance records or the least customer complaints are just too wide open to scrutiny.

As for Mrs Greene, it seems that she is trying her level best to rip up the rule book!!

[ernieshoe]

Surely those who put up with the sh%t year in year out as in seniority should be the rule? some people want it all at once .

Its not about that.
The longer you stay in a job ( in the real world ) the more you learn to do.
It's called job development.

Are you actually a postie ernie because that makes no sense whatsoever, everything you need to know in this job you should pick up in the first 6 months, it's not rocket science after all, there is no "job development" if you stay in a frontline role all it becomes then is repetitive physically demanding graft.

After 20 years or so of that we need to be looking at reducing the physical side of the job for staff, that makes sense for both employer and employee, the last thing the business needs is an exponential increase in long-term sick absence, injuries and ill health retirement. Duties are much of a muchness, rurals are less demanding but involve a lot of driving and the rurals in my office at least are longer than the P&L duties. There is no real value in "knowing" a duty anymore anyway, the way duties are laid out now with a partner, a van and Google maps you can pretty much work blind on a duty without any real hassle. Ironically the only duties where actual training is required now are rurals and businesses.

You should know all the rurals then so if someone is off sick / holiday you can step in and cover them.
Seems reasonable to me.
With seniority managers have their hands tied behind their backs as seniority means you cant be moved from a duty.
Postpeople have to learn to be more flexible - a good reason rounds don't go out.
And No I'm not a manager.

I think people seem to think a postpersons job is the most demanding out there - far from it - there is no heavy bags on shoulders.
Tradesman, builders etc have a lot more physically demanding jobs.
Problem is there are so many fat out of shape postman walking the streets no wonder their knees are knackered.
Get yourself fit and healthy all your porkers out there !

[maisymoo04]

don't speak about yourself like that its not nice ernie

[aiden01]

don't speak about yourself like that its not nice ernie

[ernieshoe]

don't speak about yourself like that its not nice ernie

Are you the Arthur Mullard of delivery by any chance

[ernieshoe]

don't speak about yourself like that its not nice ernie

The Mail centres Reg Varney has piped up.
I hate you butler

[Acca Dacca]

Surely those who put up with the sh%t year in year out as in seniority should be the rule? some people want it all at once .

Its not about that.
The longer you stay in a job ( in the real world ) the more you learn to do.
Its called job development.

In the normal working world the more experienced the worker the more varied the role becomes. You have to take on more.

Theres a word for that

Promotion

[ernieshoe]

Surely those who put up with the sh%t year in year out as in seniority should be the rule? some people want it all at once .

Its not about that.
The longer you stay in a job ( in the real world ) the more you learn to do.
Its called job development.

In the normal working world the more experienced the worker the more varied the role becomes. You have to take on more.

Theres a word for that

Promotion

Sometimes but not always.

[postslippete]

I was going to make a joke about Postpeople's flexibility, but sadly it was too much of a stretch...

Actually, managers can get around seniority now by using "operational needs". So if for example, someone has gone sick and there is someone on their own duty that can do the absentee's job, then they can be asked if they wouldn't mind doing the duty. Note that I mentioned "asked". I just think its common courtesy and makes the employee feels valued that he/she was asked and was made to feel involved in the process. You see, what usually doesn't work in Royal Mail is when someone turns up expecting to do a duty and then finding themselves in the morning doing a completely different duty in another section. That is absolutely nothing to do with seniority but very poor planning and organisation by management and that is the main reason why rounds don't go out.

[Nick b]

Seniority! I now have 27 years under my belt. Starting on a bike part time, in my office I'm still in the high 90s in seniority, however! Though obviously full time I last year joined the driver progression course one of the first, as sadly many of my friends thought it a Royal Mail con did not apply. Little realising our union (CWU) though it a brilliant idea to get ordinary postman on a progression ladder as RM paid for the various dvg courses. Yes I know We are there legal slaves for 18 months' and yes in the long run it is an economic ploy. I now drive 18 tonne vehicles as RM are trying to phase out some 7.5 duties. Since I passed many of my asssociates wish they had returned the letter they were sent with a yes, at least a few 6/7 have taken a C class license off their own back in the last year having seen the future. Seniority, age, I'm 61 older than many of my friends with more seniority who are a lot younger, so go for it, get something back off RM. I treated it as an adventure and I haven't looked back.

[ernieshoe]

Seniority! I now have 27 years under my belt. Starting on a bike part time, in my office I'm still in the high 90s in seniority, however! Though obviously full time I last year joined the driver progression course one of the first, as sadly many of my friends thought it a Royal Mail con did not apply. Little realising our union (CWU) though it a brilliant idea to get ordinary postman on a progression ladder as RM paid for the various dvg courses. Yes I know We are there legal slaves for 18 months' and yes in the long run it is an economic ploy. I now drive 18 tonne vehicles as RM are trying to phase out some 7.5 duties. Since I passed many of my asssociates wish they had returned the letter they were sent with a yes, at least a few 6/7 have taken a C class license off their own back in the last year having seen the future. Seniority, age, I'm 61 older than many of my friends with more seniority who are a lot younger, so go for it, get something back off RM. I treated it as an adventure and I haven't looked back.

Good stuff and post - adding another string to your bow - paid by Royal Mail too.
Glad you're enjoying it too !

[Chelseablue]

Never mind lol