Poll : Are we all ready for a National Strike?

[RobertT]

Anyone starting since 2008 are already in the defined contribution scheme which we are told is 63% of the workforce why would they vote for a strike so we don't have to be in the same pension as them also if we go out on a one day strike and we are told we have to sign a new terms and conditions contract before we come back what do you think will happen ? within a week everyone will be back at work under worse terms terms nobody will be able to stop out so don't give Royal Mail the chance to shoot ourselves in the foot going on strike will do just that

I think you’ll find it’s the other way round:

63% in DB – pre 2008
37% in DC – post 2008

That’s assuming every employee is in one or the other, which they probably aren’t.

[Driver74]

Well that's what was posted on the Royal Mail tv screens unless Royal Mail are lying it said 63% are in the new scheme

[Lounge Lizard]

I could tell you exactly who the shirkers are in my office and who are the workers. We all know the ones who go sick every other week or more often than that.

First of all that's bullshit, nobody goes sick "every other week or more often than that" and still has a job after 6 months in Royal Mail, the attendance standards are far too strict to allow that without intervention from OH and a whole filing cabinet full of evidence from Doctors and specialists. Exaggerating the problem for effect doesn't help your cause but that aside you still haven't given me a sensible basis for an absence policy that isn't based on one man's unqualified medical opinion on who is "at it" which won't fly in any business never mind Royal Mail.

I assure you it is happening in my office and sickness levels here are abysmal. It is the same people going sick most of the time. It's not heresay. It is reality in our office.

SOB,
Might those "same people going sick most of the time" by any chance be the ones working in close proximity to you ?

Lounge Lizard - When you have something valid and worthwhile to contribute to the discussion then please feel free to do so.

SOB,
That is precisely what I do.
And it is of course your prerogative not to answer my question.

[daveyeff]

Well that's what was posted on the Royal Mail tv screens unless Royal Mail are lying it said 63% are in the new scheme

ha ha....its not like RM to lie to its employees.

[Martin Walsh]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

Look the union has not even announced the timescale for a ballot and Royal Mail have twice improved their offer and have confirmed further talks on pensions.

That is the power of unions. Some on here would have accepted the first and worst offer. Instead we will get a better deal than what is offer on all the issues providing we stay united and you back the union. If your not in the union you really have no say , your looking on holding out coats seeing how things end up anc you end up benefiting from our struggle .

[SierraOscarBravo]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

Look the union has not even announced the timescale for a ballot and Royal Mail have twice improved their offer and have confirmed further talks on pensions.

That is the power of unions. Some on here would have accepted the first and worst offer. Instead we will get a better deal than what is offer on all the issues providing we stay united and you back the union. If your not in the union you really have no say , your looking on holding out coats seeing how things end up anc you end up benefiting from our struggle .

It is for individuals to decide if they wish to join a union or not and if they choose not to then they should not be discriminated against. After all the unions cannot bang on about discrimination if they openly slander those who have their own reasons for not joining a union, but are still members of the workforce.

[Martin Walsh]

No I was not advocating discriminating against non members. What I was pointing out is Royal Mail recognise the CWU as the union they have to negotiate with on all collective issues and only CWU members will have a say on strike action or any agreement. If your not in the union you have no influence in either the voting on strike action or the actual agreement.

Thankfully 90% of CWU respresented grades are in the CWU. Unions remain the biggest voluntary organisation in the U.K. And you will find that conditions in unionised workforces are superior than non unionised workforces.

You may choose not to be in the union but everything you have from your pay , pension , meal relief , sick leave , supplement , paid annual leave have all come from negotiations with the union.

[parforthewalk]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

Look the union has not even announced the timescale for a ballot and Royal Mail have twice improved their offer and have confirmed further talks on pensions.

That is the power of unions. Some on here would have accepted the first and worst offer. Instead we will get a better deal than what is offer on all the issues providing we stay united and you back the union. If your not in the union you really have no say , your looking on holding out coats seeing how things end up anc you end up benefiting from our struggle .

It is for individuals to decide if they wish to join a union or not and if they choose not to then they should not be discriminated against. After all the unions cannot bang on about discrimination if they openly slander those who have their own reasons for not joining a union, but are still members of the workforce.

Who said anything about discrimination?

The point/difference is about being a member of a union that is wanting to support & promote
the interests of the member which he/she pays/contributes towards.

Why should a non-member of anything expect the same benefits that a paying member does?
Surely that is the purpose of any such membership?

[Lounge Lizard]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

Look the union has not even announced the timescale for a ballot and Royal Mail have twice improved their offer and have confirmed further talks on pensions.

That is the power of unions. Some on here would have accepted the first and worst offer. Instead we will get a better deal than what is offer on all the issues providing we stay united and you back the union. If your not in the union you really have no say , your looking on holding out coats seeing how things end up anc you end up benefiting from our struggle .

It is for individuals to decide if they wish to join a union or not and if they choose not to then they should not be discriminated against. After all the unions cannot bang on about discrimination if they openly slander those who have their own reasons for not joining a union, but are still members of the workforce.

Who said anything about discrimination?

The point/difference is about being a member of a union that is wanting to support & promote
the interests of the member which he/she pays/contributes towards.

Why should a non-member of anything expect the same benefits that a paying member does?
Surely that is the purpose of any such membership?

No surprise that it was SOB who "said anything about discrimination" with his "then they should not be discriminated against".

[SierraOscarBravo]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

Look the union has not even announced the timescale for a ballot and Royal Mail have twice improved their offer and have confirmed further talks on pensions.

That is the power of unions. Some on here would have accepted the first and worst offer. Instead we will get a better deal than what is offer on all the issues providing we stay united and you back the union. If your not in the union you really have no say , your looking on holding out coats seeing how things end up anc you end up benefiting from our struggle .

It is for individuals to decide if they wish to join a union or not and if they choose not to then they should not be discriminated against. After all the unions cannot bang on about discrimination if they openly slander those who have their own reasons for not joining a union, but are still members of the workforce.

Who said anything about discrimination?

The point/difference is about being a member of a union that is wanting to support & promote
the interests of the member which he/she pays/contributes towards.

Why should a non-member of anything expect the same benefits that a paying member does?
Surely that is the purpose of any such membership?

No surprise that it was SOB who "said anything about discrimination" with his "then they should not be discriminated against".

Time and time again in my years at Royal Mail I have seen bone-idle union members protected by their union masters. I have seen union reps carve up easy deliveries to suit themselves and get all the easy overtime going as well as get guaranteed holidays in the summer months year after year.

I choose to be independent and not have my snout in the trough like the worst union masters and managers have. I work hard in this job and I take pride in what I do.

[jetblack]

Time and time again in my years at Royal Mail I have seen bone-idle union members protected by their union masters.

And you work with scammers who are abusing the sick/absence procedure as well. You are banding about quite a few slurs upon your fellow workers here SOB.

But, as daft as this might sound, I kind of feel your pain - I think you are grossly exagerating your experience for your own reasons - but nonethless, I do kind of sympathise with you in some ways. Its not nice to be the one who goes the extra mile whilst everyone else seems to be taking the piss and getting paid more. Of course, the managers are the main culprits of this, but thats another argument.

But I can't agree with your response to your experience (wether real or imagined). What you are doing is cutting yourself off and saying that the reason that you are cut off is that you are superior.
What you should be doing is getting involved. Join the union. Put your mark on it. That way you might play your part in making this place a better place to be for everyone.

The armchair critic is a bit too easy a role to play for a grown man.

[Newbie001]

There are 90 000 members of the DB sceheme the vast majority of which are CWU represented grades.

There are less than 40 000 in the DC of which only 3380 pay the highest tier i.e. 6% and Royal Mail pay 9%.

13310 of those in the DC scheme only pay 1% pension contributions and Royal Mail pay 1%.

Of course the anomaly is the Government change the law so individuals are automaticly enrolled into work pension schemes so a lot of OPGs who took their pension at early and continue to work would automatically get put back into the DC scheme even thou they are drawing on their DB pension.

However the DC scheme will not give individual a good pension especially as only 9% have opted to pay the highest tier.

I currently contribute 5%. Even if it was 6% it would still be a poor return. DC scheme is awful imo.

[gary1975]

Maybe the union should put a bit more effort in to getting contracts made up, some of us pt staff can only afford the bare minimum pension contribution , for my forcast is less annually than members are winging about losing, if the union agree to any scheme that post 2008 members can't be a part of then they can fff off ,plus ive now got to graft to 68 years old

[aiden01]

Maybe the union should put a bit more effort in to getting contracts made up, some of us pt staff can only afford the bare minimum pension contribution , for my forcast is less annually than members are winging about losing, if the union agree to any scheme that post 2008 members can't be a part of then they can fff off ,plus ive now got to graft to 68 years old

Members are quite entitled ( to winge) about how much they are to lose. now its up to you do what these staff have done all there lives in RM fight or lie down for a decent pension. nothing ever comes gift wrapped easily especially in RM.

[labbloke]

I'm ready, been putting away a little bit each week as a strike fund,
This is do or die for my family, so I'm in int for the fight