You say about Stress, is that because it's "easy" to say?SierraOscarBravo wrote:
It is about time the business rewarded staff with 100% attendance with a significant bonus and removed sick pay from those who are very clearly feigning illness on a regular basis. It is the only way to stop the abuse of sick pay.
Newbie,Newbie001 wrote:If they bring the reduced sickness in. If you have the flu or a minor injury,most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days. But you would be as well to take the whole week off. You might even get some ssp.
Sickness days could actually increase under this proposal for the people that "milk" the system. Whereas every one else loses out.
Point I'm trying to make is it might stop people taking 1 day sickies. But if you've got genuine short term illness/sick which usually last 2/3 days or more. Instead of rushing yourself back to work, you'd be as well taking the whole week off. Or on the flip side if you've too scared to take couple of days off you might aggravate an illness/injury requiring weeks/ months off.Lounge Lizard wrote:Newbie,Newbie001 wrote:If they bring the reduced sickness in. If you have the flu or a minor injury,most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days. But you would be as well to take the whole week off. You might even get some ssp.
Sickness days could actually increase under this proposal for the people that "milk" the system. Whereas every one else loses out.
With "most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days" are you sure ?
I thought sick pay would be to stop sick pay for the first three days, the point being to deter anyone from taking one, two or three days off.
Newbie,Newbie001 wrote:Point I'm trying to make is it might stop people taking 1 day sickies. But if you've got genuine short term illness/sick which usually last 2/3 days or more. Instead of rushing yourself back to work, you'd be as well taking the whole week off. Or on the flip side if you've too scared to take couple of days off you might aggravate an illness/injury requiring weeks/ months off.Lounge Lizard wrote:Newbie,Newbie001 wrote:If they bring the reduced sickness in. If you have the flu or a minor injury,most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days. But you would be as well to take the whole week off. You might even get some ssp.
Sickness days could actually increase under this proposal for the people that "milk" the system. Whereas every one else loses out.
With "most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days" are you sure ?
I thought sick pay would be to stop sick pay for the first three days, the point being to deter anyone from taking one, two or three days off.
Just to play devils advocate here for a minute - but would an analysis of patterns of attendance/sick leave, in light of the attendant RM sick procedure, be able to throw any light on the matter ?fishtank wrote:
..how do you tell the shirkers from the genuinely ill?
Very suspicious. 
No doubt about it. 
Sack him. 
Our DOM has started trying this on he sent an acting line manager one month earlier this year with a print out let's just say it was April?..jetblack wrote:Just to play devils advocate here for a minute - but would an analysis of patterns of attendance/sick leave, in light of the attendant RM sick procedure, be able to throw any light on the matter ?fishtank wrote:
..how do you tell the shirkers from the genuinely ill?
Would all be circumstantal of course - but as we often hear, RM only need reasonable doubt.
The cut to sick pay is a slightly different issue - and its wrong. But the shirkers do need routing out - they are ballsing it up for all of us. I have to say, I have witnessed abuses of the system, big time.
I could tell you exactly who the shirkers are in my office and who are the workers. We all know the ones who go sick every other week or more often than that. The ones who go off with 'stress' because they have been moved off their duty after 20 years or because they have been partnered with someone who is not a runner like they are.fishtank wrote:The problem is it forces people who can't afford to lose pay into bringing their illness to work not only putting themselves at risk but the entire office. This doesn't just push up overall sick absence, it also drives down performance.
Still waiting for an answer SOB, how do you tell the shirkers from the genuinely ill?, hearsay and opinion won't cut it at an employment tribunal.
Yes - but how would you ensure that you are not discriminating against those with genuine illness and/or disability ie. those genuinely in need ?SierraOscarBravo wrote:...
First of all that's bullshit, nobody goes sick "every other week or more often than that" and still has a job after 6 months in Royal Mail, the attendance standards are far too strict to allow that without intervention from OH and a whole filing cabinet full of evidence from Doctors and specialists. Exaggerating the problem for effect doesn't help your cause but that aside you still haven't given me a sensible basis for an absence policy that isn't based on one man's unqualified medical opinion on who is "at it" which won't fly in any business never mind Royal Mail.I could tell you exactly who the shirkers are in my office and who are the workers. We all know the ones who go sick every other week or more often than that.
I assure you it is happening in my office and sickness levels here are abysmal. It is the same people going sick most of the time. It's not heresay. It is reality in our office.fishtank wrote:First of all that's bullshit, nobody goes sick "every other week or more often than that" and still has a job after 6 months in Royal Mail, the attendance standards are far too strict to allow that without intervention from OH and a whole filing cabinet full of evidence from Doctors and specialists. Exaggerating the problem for effect doesn't help your cause but that aside you still haven't given me a sensible basis for an absence policy that isn't based on one man's unqualified medical opinion on who is "at it" which won't fly in any business never mind Royal Mail.I could tell you exactly who the shirkers are in my office and who are the workers. We all know the ones who go sick every other week or more often than that.
The attendance standards in Royal Mail are..SierraOscarBravo wrote:I assure you it is happening in my office and sickness levels here are abysmal. It is the same people going sick most of the time. It's not heresay. It is reality in our office.