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Poll : Are we all ready for a National Strike?

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.

Are you ready for a National Strike?

Yes:
784
85%
No:
142
15%
 
Total votes: 926

jetblack
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Post by jetblack »

SierraOscarBravo wrote: It is about time the business ....removed sick pay from those who are very clearly feigning illness on a regular basis. It is the only way to stop the abuse of sick pay.
Yeah - if only it were that simple.

What you can't do is punish the 99% who are genuine for the 1% that are scammers - throwing the baby out with the bath water and so on.
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Post by fishtank »

SierraOscarBravo wrote:It is about time the business rewarded staff with 100% attendance with a significant bonus and removed sick pay from those who are very clearly feigning illness on a regular basis. It is the only way to stop the abuse of sick pay.
What criteria do you use to decide who is "very clearly feigning illness on a regular basis".
Just asking as you seem to have all the answers.
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Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

Yep collective punishment always works. :roll:
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Post by Phantom »

SierraOscarBravo wrote:
ernieshoe wrote:
daveyeff wrote:devils advocate my arse. some just don't like unions but are happy to take the 'yakka'
keep it real.
Monthly pay - yes
pay rise - no
sick pay - got to stop RM
technology - got to embrace
longer delivery spans - yes - that all we'll have to do.
Bullying / harrassment - got to stop this.

One salary - no extras.

2017 not 1971

go to keep it real me julie
Indeed it is 2017 not 1971. There are those on here who will never face up to the massive changes that are coming and industrial action will not succeed in the way they think. Sticking two fingers up at the public who pay our wages and keep us in jobs is seen by these union militants as justified. They even revel at the idea of getting one over Royal Mail management.

I am not a member of a union as a matter of principle. I do not agree with industrial action and I am independent in my beliefs. The attitudes of union diehards on here merely confirms to me they are living in the past and only a fool would follow them down the road to ruin.
It's a good job we didn't have to rely on many like you during the war! - I'm not fighting, I don't agree with it on principle - pathetic
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Post by aiden01 »

Phantom wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:
ernieshoe wrote:
daveyeff wrote:devils advocate my arse. some just don't like unions but are happy to take the 'yakka'
keep it real.
Monthly pay - yes
pay rise - no
sick pay - got to stop RM
technology - got to embrace
longer delivery spans - yes - that all we'll have to do.
Bullying / harrassment - got to stop this.

One salary - no extras.

2017 not 1971

go to keep it real me julie
Indeed it is 2017 not 1971. There are those on here who will never face up to the massive changes that are coming and industrial action will not succeed in the way they think. Sticking two fingers up at the public who pay our wages and keep us in jobs is seen by these union militants as justified. They even revel at the idea of getting one over Royal Mail management.

I am not a member of a union as a matter of principle. I do not agree with industrial action and I am independent in my beliefs. The attitudes of union diehards on here merely confirms to me they are living in the past and only a fool would follow them down the road to ruin.
It's a good job we didn't have to rely on many like you during the war! - I'm not fighting, I don't agree with it on principle - pathetic
Just ignore him mate not worth it.
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Post by Lounge Lizard »

But will he really just go away if we ignore him ? :roll:
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Tman
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Post by Tman »

Funny thing is I thought this was a forum where people came to put their views across, but judging by the personal abuse this poster gets, that's no longer the case.

Yet more evidence of fascism in every day life.
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Post by milly »

Lounge Lizard wrote:
milly wrote:I'm afraid something has to be done about the Sick in Royal Mail as quite a large minority in my office look at it as extra Holidays.
I am very much in favour of clamping down on short term Sick but people with long term serious illness ought to be looked after.
Sickness must cost Royal Mail millions of pounds every year as many Postal Workers just take the piss.
Sickness means Sickness. :Applause
If you are "very much in favour of clamping down on short term Sick but people with long term serious illness ought to be looked after" you are suggesting that "short term" sick absence is "taking the piss" but "long term" sickness is genuine. :crazy:
If they couldn't ever manage their way out of a damp paper bag how do you think DOMs would differentiate between genuine sick absence and taking the piss ? :cuppa
Its seems as if people like you think that all Postal Workers are infallible and that it is always a Managers fault.
I said nothing controversial in my post in that malingerers should be dealt with and workers with genuine sickness ought to be helped.
After working as a Postman at Royal Mail for nearly 30 years I have seen people game the sickness system, knowing to the day when they will come off a stage warning then going sick again soon after.
Many people I work with have 6 weeks annual leave a year plus another 2 weeks sick leave, is that fair on the majority of us that go sick when we are genuinely ill?
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Post by foxyjarvis »

Lounge Lizard, you should be banned from this forum for your 5.02 am post this morning. If you haven't got the intellectual wherewithal to respond, don't!
Ricardo44
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Post by Ricardo44 »

milly wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
milly wrote:I'm afraid something has to be done about the Sick in Royal Mail as quite a large minority in my office look at it as extra Holidays.
I am very much in favour of clamping down on short term Sick but people with long term serious illness ought to be looked after.
Sickness must cost Royal Mail millions of pounds every year as many Postal Workers just take the piss.
Sickness means Sickness. :Applause
If you are "very much in favour of clamping down on short term Sick but people with long term serious illness ought to be looked after" you are suggesting that "short term" sick absence is "taking the piss" but "long term" sickness is genuine. :crazy:
If they couldn't ever manage their way out of a damp paper bag how do you think DOMs would differentiate between genuine sick absence and taking the piss ? :cuppa
Its seems as if people like you think that all Postal Workers are infallible and that it is always a Managers fault.
I said nothing controversial in my post in that malingerers should be dealt with and workers with genuine sickness ought to be helped.
After working as a Postman at Royal Mail for nearly 30 years I have seen people game the sickness system, knowing to the day when they will come off a stage warning then going sick again soon after.
Many people I work with have 6 weeks annual leave a year plus another 2 weeks sick leave, is that fair on the majority of us that go sick when we are genuinely ill?
So are you saying that absolutely every postperson who is on short term sickness is feigning illness and that anyone on long term sick MUST be genuine?

Have you not considered the possibility that there may be some genuine and some faking it in both short AND long term sick?

And what criteria would you use to decide between long and short term?
Where would the cut off point be?..1 week..2 weeks?..1 month?

I thought the point made by Lounge Lizard to your post was quite a valid one.
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Post by milly »

Ricardo44, maybe I work in an office with high proportion of dishonest people that see sick leave as an extra leave entitlement and make sure they use their sick every year.
I am not saying that everyone one on short term sick is swinging the lead but there are many that are.
As usual on this forum a few members resort to straw man arguments to defend the indefensible.
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Post by Ricardo44 »

milly wrote:Ricardo44, maybe I work in an office with high proportion of dishonest people that see sick leave as an extra leave entitlement and make sure they use their sick every year.
I am not saying that everyone one on short term sick is swinging the lead but there are many that are.
As usual on this forum a few members resort to straw man arguments to defend the indefensible.
Ok Milly..once again you have avoided answering reasonable questions.. :arrrghhh
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Post by Martin Walsh »

At the end of the day , there are 129,535 employees in Royal Mail and there are 110 829 CWU members.

The CWU members will be the ones who have a say on whether we will strike or we will accept the proposals.

The CWU , it predecessors the UCW and UPW have been the only organisation which with the backing of its members have made significant improvements in the working conditions of its members.

Remember prior to 2003 the vast majority of delivery OPGs worked 6 days per week. Everything which makes up the job , the amount of annual leave, maternity and paternity leave , pensions , meal reliefs , allowances , VR payments , pay protection , excess travelling , election payments , sick payments along with so many other issues.

How did the CWU get most of these through struggle and disputes.

When you examine most of what Royal Mail is proposing on pay than it is what they been proposing for years , monthly pay , getting rid of legacy payments , performance related pay etc. They have been proposing these things for years and the CWU have managed to stop them. Lets be clear on legacy payments these are reducing year on year as new employees don't receive them and when employees leave they go. There is no reason why Royal Mail needs to switch these off when employees have built their life"s around them for years.

On monthly pay they have been proposing this since the late 1980"s and even tried a voluntary scheme where you could opt for monthly pay and they have never been able to introduce it.

On pensions they have made a new proposal which still leave employees in two different schemes and is still vastly inferior than the current DB scheme. For example a section c member who is 50 in 2018 with 30 years service retiring at 65 will see their pension benefits reduced by 22.3%. A section c member with 10 years service aged 30 at 2030 retiring at 65 will see their pension benefit reduced by 51%. This is not acceptable.

on the wide Royal Mail proposal which some seem to be missing is the following :

All Delivery Starts times will move at least 2 hours later to ensure later acceptance times at the national distribution centre in Daventry. This will allow Royal Mail to delivery next day parcels which is the growing market which Royal Mail do not currently play in.

That mail centres and MPUs do not process wave 1 until 95% of work is available. This will mean delivery offices will receive this work later. In addition they do not want delivery staff to throw this 95% of work into their frame. This will reduce indoor work and move start times later again. The remaining work will not need big frames to sort into and this will help Royal Mail close / merge another 400 delivery offices.

Trial of heavy and light days so on 3 days per week meaning that less than 50% of the workload goes out meaning less staff on the lighter days.

Route ownership with groups working together but without delivery cuts offs.

Seasonal variations of hours.

in Mail Centres Royal Mail want too reduced dispatches and are reviewing the main dispatch. In addition they are reviewing the indoor workplace.

Royal Mail also want remove all flights where possible which will move deliveries later.

On area distribution and Logistics they want to maximise vehicle utilisation i.e. less trips in larger vehicles.

Deployment of 10/11 CLLLS machines deployed to sites without tops 2k machines which removes processing and delivery workload

Collection Hub Optimisation start and finish location of routes , COD3 , fleet reduction and storage of 2nd class in line with the principle of just in time in mail centres.


So whilst some may say strikes are old fashioned the alternative is you allow Royal Mail to implement whatever they want without an argument.

Royal Mail only listen when the CWU and its members force them too. This is a time when all union members need to united.

So there is plenty of disagreement on issues , there is no need for people to start flagging up what your willing to give up. You don't see Royal Mail asking its managers what they
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Post by milly »

Ricardo44 wrote:
milly wrote:Ricardo44, maybe I work in an office with high proportion of dishonest people that see sick leave as an extra leave entitlement and make sure they use their sick every year.
I am not saying that everyone one on short term sick is swinging the lead but there are many that are.
As usual on this forum a few members resort to straw man arguments to defend the indefensible.
Ok Milly..once again you have avoided answering reasonable questions.. :arrrghhh
What question were you asking?
I was merely making a statement based on my own experiences of working for Royal Mail.
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Post by Newbie001 »

If they bring the reduced sickness in. If you have the flu or a minor injury,most people would force themselves to come in after 2/3 days. But you would be as well to take the whole week off. You might even get some ssp.
Sickness days could actually increase under this proposal for the people that "milk" the system. Whereas every one else loses out.