ACCEPT THE DEAL

[catshole]

THE PEC HAS AGREED THE DEAL. YOU VOTED THEM IN. THEY HAVE WHAT THEY SAY GOT THE BEST DEAL THEY'RE GONNA GET. WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PEC ALL ALONG, WHY DO YOU IGNORE THERE JUDGEMENT NOW. WE WERE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY BUT THIS IS THE BEST WE ARE GOING TO GET,SO LET IT WORK FOR US,NOT JUST SLAG IT OFF BECAUSE THAT DOESNT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTED AND IT IS NOW TIME TO MAKE THE DEAL WORK FOR YOU.
5.4% FROM 1ST OCTOBER = £17.54 PER WEEK
£175 PAYMENT.
THIS AFTER A BALLOT SHOULD BE IN OUR PAY PACKETS BEFORE XMAS.
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK OUR MEMBERS ARE GONNA TURN IT DOWN,WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BOYS AND GIRLS.
30 MINUTES FLEXIBILITY PER DAY. DO YOUR WALKS AS YOU SHOULD DO AND YOU WILL GO TO YOUR TIME EVERYDAY,IF YOU GO OVER BY 30 MINUTES BANK IT AND USE THE EXTRA TIME YOU HAVE WORKED WHEN YOU WANT IT,USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
THE PAY RISE,AINT IT ENOUGH FOR YOU,WHAT WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH 10% , BE REALISTIC.
ROYAL MAIL TRIED TO KILL OFF OUR UNION AND WE STOOD UP TO THEM AND BEAT THEM. LETS DO OUR JOBS PROPERLY AND GET NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENTS OVER THE COMING MONTHS FOR OUR MEMBERS. KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DONT BURY YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND THATS WHAT THEY WANT.

YES ANDY I UNDERSTAND 7 HOURS ON TUESDAY AND 9 HOURS ON FRIDAY.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SET OUT FOR DELIVERIES. NOW ASK YOURSELF, DO YOU WORK 7 HOURS ON TUESDAY??? IF SO YOU'VE GOT A BLOODY GOOD WALK. IF YOU WERE PUT ON 7 HOURS TUESDAY,MOST PEOPLE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THEREFORE ITS SOMETHING YOUR DOM WOULDNT DO OR HE'D HAVE TO SEND ALL HIS MANAGERS OUT ON WALKS THAT CANT COMPLETE.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS THE JOB CORRECTLY AND THIS SO CALLED LONG AND SHORTS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. UNFORTUNATELY THOUGH THIS WONT HAPPEN AND WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME OLD "IM LOOKING AFTER MYSELF" BRIGADE WHO ARE RUINING THE JOB. THATS THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE,CERTAIN POSTPERSONS WONT LISTEN AND FOR THE SAKE OF JUST WORKING THE TIME YOU GET PAID FOR,THEY ARE RUINING THE JOB FOR THE REST OF US WHO DO THE JOB CORRECTLY.
Where do you get this "30 minutes" rubbish from?
Here are two extracts from the agreement which will clarify the situation for you.

* Longs and shorts - a structural change where the normal work pattern may be rebalanced across the week to reflect the traffic profile. For example individuals could be scheduled to work 7 hours on a Tuesday and 9 hours on a Friday. Total weekly contractual hours would not change.

* Variation of hours - Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Again, individual circumsatances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours would not change.

Had you somehow missed the paragraph above the one you seem to be fixated on?

As for the money: Do you really think that we would have Striked for so long, just to get more money?!?
Don't you realise how long it will take for us to recoup that money?

You also fail to appreciate that the deal was made in secrecy (apart from a few leaks), and that we are now expected to decide wether we agree that it is a good deal or not.

There is also the fact that there is a certain amount of disinformation going round in an attempt to trick us into a yes vote. I have dealt with one above.

I don't know wether you were taken in by the disinformation, or wether you are deliberately peddling it. BUT EVERYONE MUST STUDY THE AGREEMENT THOROUGHLY BEFORE VOTING.

If People do read the agreement thoroughly, and still decide to vote yes. Then that is fine, and no-one should criticise them for that. After all, the Union is a Democracy, and as such EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and a chance to vote whichever way they feel is right.

The problem comes, when people just read breakdowns of the agreement, or listen to word of mouth, without checking their facts. There are many strong views on it, and I have expressed mine too. But this should only be a means to draw people's attention to parts of the agreement, and our views of them. It is up to everyone to read it properly and make their own minds up.

Personally I will be voting NO, but it's a decision that everyone must make for themselves.

I wish you would stop letting RM :cfo :lfo managers on this website

[norbet colon]

i don't agree with the deal at all but the sad truth of the matter he is probably right, that it will be accepted and it will be like that bloody way forward everyone moaned about that, but it's in and everyone work's around it and to their advantage most of the time, most will just see the money aspect of the deal and nothing else

hope i'm wrong but i can see it going through, and whilst we are on the subject why haven't we heard anything from the union about a ballot timetable, we have had nothing at our office no communication from the branch, not a thing

THE BALLOT PAPERS WILL BE OUT END OF NEXT WEEK OR BEGGINING OF THE NEXT WEEK THE5 5th NOV

RM have been more than happy to quote the way backward in justification whenever it suits them.

[sol]

"ROYAL MAIL TRIED TO KILL OFF OUR UNION AND WE STOOD UP TO THEM AND BEAT THEM. LETS DO OUR JOBS PROPERLY AND GET NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENTS OVER THE COMING MONTHS FOR OUR MEMBERS. KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DONT BURY YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND THATS WHAT THEY WANT"

The problem is you haven't beaten them. Part of the deal is that local areas will have to agree 'efficiency' plans by the end of January next year: that is the reps have to agree to cuts and intensification of work. How can you 'keep up the fight' when you are implementing the management's agenda?

[mrlovepantsuk]

theres more chance of me flying to the moon (with my wings) and coming back to marry kylie minogue than voting yes on this "deal".

you`ve got that right, i`m marrying kylie

[TrueBlueTerrier]

THE PEC HAS AGREED THE DEAL. YOU VOTED THEM IN. THEY HAVE WHAT THEY SAY GOT THE BEST DEAL THEY'RE GONNA GET. WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PEC ALL ALONG, WHY DO YOU IGNORE THERE JUDGEMENT NOW. WE WERE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY BUT THIS IS THE BEST WE ARE GOING TO GET,SO LET IT WORK FOR US,NOT JUST SLAG IT OFF BECAUSE THAT DOESNT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTED AND IT IS NOW TIME TO MAKE THE DEAL WORK FOR YOU.
5.4% FROM 1ST OCTOBER = £17.54 PER WEEK
£175 PAYMENT.
THIS AFTER A BALLOT SHOULD BE IN OUR PAY PACKETS BEFORE XMAS.
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK OUR MEMBERS ARE GONNA TURN IT DOWN,WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BOYS AND GIRLS.
30 MINUTES FLEXIBILITY PER DAY. DO YOUR WALKS AS YOU SHOULD DO AND YOU WILL GO TO YOUR TIME EVERYDAY,IF YOU GO OVER BY 30 MINUTES BANK IT AND USE THE EXTRA TIME YOU HAVE WORKED WHEN YOU WANT IT,USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
THE PAY RISE,AINT IT ENOUGH FOR YOU,WHAT WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH 10% , BE REALISTIC.
ROYAL MAIL TRIED TO KILL OFF OUR UNION AND WE STOOD UP TO THEM AND BEAT THEM. LETS DO OUR JOBS PROPERLY AND GET NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENTS OVER THE COMING MONTHS FOR OUR MEMBERS. KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DONT BURY YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND THATS WHAT THEY WANT.

This is a very difficult post to read or understand as it is in all capitals. Will members please ensure Caps Lock is turned off when typing as I and I am sure others don't bother reading a post that is presented with Caps Lock on. You points may be earth shattering but there is no point in posting if no one wants to read it.

[coppertop]

Just Vote No there is no other way to vote if you do you give in to future bullying accross the board

[chiefclaret]

THE PEC HAS AGREED THE DEAL. YOU VOTED THEM IN. THEY HAVE WHAT THEY SAY GOT THE BEST DEAL THEY'RE GONNA GET. WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PEC ALL ALONG, WHY DO YOU IGNORE THERE JUDGEMENT NOW. WE WERE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY BUT THIS IS THE BEST WE ARE GOING TO GET,SO LET IT WORK FOR US,NOT JUST SLAG IT OFF BECAUSE THAT DOESNT ACHIEVE ANYTHING. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTED AND IT IS NOW TIME TO MAKE THE DEAL WORK FOR YOU.
5.4% FROM 1ST OCTOBER = £17.54 PER WEEK
£175 PAYMENT.
THIS AFTER A BALLOT SHOULD BE IN OUR PAY PACKETS BEFORE XMAS.
DO YOU HONESTLY THINK OUR MEMBERS ARE GONNA TURN IT DOWN,WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BOYS AND GIRLS.
30 MINUTES FLEXIBILITY PER DAY. DO YOUR WALKS AS YOU SHOULD DO AND YOU WILL GO TO YOUR TIME EVERYDAY,IF YOU GO OVER BY 30 MINUTES BANK IT AND USE THE EXTRA TIME YOU HAVE WORKED WHEN YOU WANT IT,USE IT TO YOUR ADVANTAGE.
THE PAY RISE,AINT IT ENOUGH FOR YOU,WHAT WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH 10% , BE REALISTIC.
ROYAL MAIL TRIED TO KILL OFF OUR UNION AND WE STOOD UP TO THEM AND BEAT THEM. LETS DO OUR JOBS PROPERLY AND GET NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENTS OVER THE COMING MONTHS FOR OUR MEMBERS. KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DONT BURY YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND THATS WHAT THEY WANT.

Sorry for the cap's , but thats the problem with the deal,people wont be bothered to read it. They will accept so its time to get used to it and deal with it. I will say it again, Dont bury you're heads in the sand.
This is a very difficult post to read or understand as it is in all capitals. Will members please ensure Caps Lock is turned off when typing as I and I am sure others don't bother reading a post that is presented with Caps Lock on. You points may be earth shattering but there is no point in posting if no one wants to read it.

[arsenalbob]

i'm not losing sleep over issues within the agreement and nor should anyone else. i've mentally accepted that it will be voted in because for every one of us on here that voices our concerns, and rightly so, there are probably 4 or 5 who will silently vote yes, mainly through strained financial resources, time of year, or for whatever reason.
flexibility will only affect those people who are fools to themselves, the headless chicken brigade. my biggest worry from the outset of the dispute was d2d payments and the pension and we have now been assured that whatever the out come on these two we will be balloted separatley on them, so it is a little easier if you take time to scrutinise the whole agreement word for word, the problem being, when have RM ever stuck to an agreement

[TrueBlueTerrier]

i'm not losing sleep over issues within the agreement and nor should anyone else. i've mentally accepted that it will be voted in because for every one of us on here that voices our concerns, and rightly so, there are probably 4 or 5 who will silently vote yes, mainly through strained financial resources, time of year, or for whatever reason.
flexibility will only affect those people who are fools to themselves, the headless chicken brigade. my biggest worry from the outset of the dispute was d2d payments and the pension and we have now been assured that whatever the out come on these two we will be balloted separatley on them, so it is a little easier if you take time to scrutinise the whole agreement word for word, the problem being, when have RM ever stuck to an agreement

Spot on which why I am voting NO. They general ideas behind the deal are ok but if you have a bullying or autocratic manager then this deal is the green light for him to do what he wants. Local agreements are never very good as they just get binned when it suits local management.

[The Sarge]

i'm not losing sleep over issues within the agreement and nor should anyone else. i've mentally accepted that it will be voted in because for every one of us on here that voices our concerns, and rightly so, there are probably 4 or 5 who will silently vote yes, mainly through strained financial resources, time of year, or for whatever reason.
flexibility will only affect those people who are fools to themselves, the headless chicken brigade. my biggest worry from the outset of the dispute was d2d payments and the pension and we have now been assured that whatever the out come on these two we will be balloted separatley on them, so it is a little easier if you take time to scrutinise the whole agreement word for word, the problem being, when have RM ever stuck to an agreement

Spot on which why I am voting NO. They general ideas behind the deal are ok but if you have a bullying or autocratic manager then this deal is the green light for him to do what he wants. Local agreements are never very good as they just get binned when it suits local management.

Exactly right TBT. Flexible working in principle is, or can be a good thing. However, this 'tool' in the hands of RM will sadly become a 'weapon'. I have seen nothing in RM to convince me that a potentially good thing will EVER be used in a manner to benefit employees. This is also the thin end of the wedge - 30 mins will soon become 2 hours 'to meet the needs of the business'. Watch this space....

[semacsorter]

i'm not losing sleep over issues within the agreement and nor should anyone else. i've mentally accepted that it will be voted in because for every one of us on here that voices our concerns, and rightly so, there are probably 4 or 5 who will silently vote yes, mainly through strained financial resources, time of year, or for whatever reason.
flexibility will only affect those people who are fools to themselves, the headless chicken brigade. my biggest worry from the outset of the dispute was d2d payments and the pension and we have now been assured that whatever the out come on these two we will be balloted separatley on them, so it is a little easier if you take time to scrutinise the whole agreement word for word, the problem being, when have RM ever stuck to an agreement

By a seperate ballot they have weakened your hand How many members now eork indoors and are not effected by D2D payments are they going to strike for you ? How many members have less than 10 years service upon whom the effect on pensions is mimimal again same question ?

but no i dont think RM will ever stick to an agreement !!

[IWW Fellow Worker]

i'm not losing sleep over issues within the agreement and nor should anyone else. i've mentally accepted that it will be voted in because for every one of us on here that voices our concerns, and rightly so, there are probably 4 or 5 who will silently vote yes, mainly through strained financial resources, time of year, or for whatever reason.
flexibility will only affect those people who are fools to themselves, the headless chicken brigade. my biggest worry from the outset of the dispute was d2d payments and the pension and we have now been assured that whatever the out come on these two we will be balloted separatley on them, so it is a little easier if you take time to scrutinise the whole agreement word for word, the problem being, when have RM ever stuck to an agreement

Spot on which why I am voting NO. They general ideas behind the deal are ok but if you have a bullying or autocratic manager then this deal is the green light for him to do what he wants. Local agreements are never very good as they just get binned when it suits local management.

Exactly right TBT. Flexible working in principle is, or can be a good thing. However, this 'tool' in the hands of RM will sadly become a 'weapon'. I have seen nothing in RM to convince me that a potentially good thing will EVER be used in a manner to benefit employees. This is also the thin end of the wedge - 30 mins will soon become 2 hours 'to meet the needs of the business'. Watch this space....

Well said Sarge. The thing to remember is Royal Mail do not employ honourable people as managers. If they were honourable it is doubtful they would consider becoming managers in the first place. This is just another 'agreement' which they will use to bully the newer, weaker and otherwise vulnerable members of staff.

[tatt]

[quote="The Sarge]

Exactly right TBT. Flexible working in principle is, or can be a good thing. However, this 'tool' in the hands of RM will sadly become a 'weapon'. I have seen nothing in RM to convince me that a potentially good thing will EVER be used in a manner to benefit employees. This is also the thin end of the wedge - 30 mins will soon become 2 hours 'to meet the needs of the business'. Watch this space....[/quote]

If you take long and shorts (tues 7hrs, - fri 9hrs) add the 30 mins flexibility to the friday long day, your only 30 mins away from the two hours RM want.

[stressed eric]

chiefclaret!!!

think you've had to much claret, what planet have you just sprung from the deals shite the union have sold us down the river.
yes they gave us a £175 payout whippie fecking do, what about the 5.4% payrise they owe us back dated which is over £400!!!
i notice you dont mention that.
with all that shite you speak you must be a DOM, if not you'd be an ideal candidate.

[pinstripe]

How long does a local agreement stand for? Is it until there is a change in local management, Linos, DOM etc, or is it until local management want to change it? I personally think that some local issues should be dealt with at a local level. What works in one office won't always work in another. But at the same time, major issues must be decided at National level.