How will you vote?

[Tman]

So IF he never said it then it must be yet another example of fake news spread to boost labour voting totals.
Labour...can they sink any lower in the morality scale?

Eh? Are you now saying he didn't say it?

Is English not your first language?
If (as you seem to believe) he didn't say it, then fake news is the obvious conclusion.

[jetblack]

If (as you seem to believe) he didn't say it..

We know what Baldrick believes - he's been wholly unambiguous about it - he believes that Corbyn didn't say it.

What we all want to know is, what do you believe Wee man ?

Did he say it or didn't he ? Its just that you seemed to be building an argument based on the fact that he did, in fact, say it.

Hey, something just occurred to me. Maybe Corbyn didn't say it after all - but maybe the crafty lefty bugger thought it, hey ? Would that count ?
It would count in the eyes of the Lord - cos if you have thought the bad thought you have already committed the sin

But how would we go about proving it ?

So what do you reckon Wee man - did he not say it (probably didn't have the pinko balls to spit it out), but he did think it, thereby rendering himself as guilty as sin in the metaphysical sense anyhow.



Hey - maybe it was MacDonnell that said it.

Or thought it ?

No - wait - it was that f***ing Diane Abbot said it all along I'll bet

[baldrick]

So IF he never said it then it must be yet another example of fake news spread to boost labour voting totals.
Labour...can they sink any lower in the morality scale?

Eh? Are you now saying he didn't say it?

Is English not your first language?
If (as you seem to believe) he didn't say it, then fake news is the obvious conclusion.

English is my only language, apart from the little O-level French and German I can remember from 50 years ago. I just don't understand what you are saying.
So you think Corbyn did promise to cancel £100 bn of student debts? But you are unable to quote where he said that, though you claim there are many quotes. But the only quote you can give is the NME interview in which he doesn't say that. Or if he did it is 'fake news'.
Is that what you are saying?

[jetblack]

Maybe Tman thought that Corbyn thought it - and thereby believed it was right and proper that the argument could be made that Corbyn as good as said it ???

But if Tman only desired that Corbyn said it, and then propogates the falsity/his own projections (that Corbyn said it) on this very forum, then it seems to me that it is Weeman himself, if anyone, is guilty of fake news

[SierraOscarBravo]

So you would prefer Corbyn to be running the country propped up by his Sinn Fein/IRA pals?

I know you don't deal with reality, but the Sinn Fein elected MPs don't take their seats in the Westminster UK Parliament.

Yes the Sinn Fein MPs do not take their seats in the UK Parliament. It doesn't stop Sinn Fein/IRA supporting their pal Corbyn to be Prime Minister given his long record of apologising for their cowardly acts of terrorism.

Whichever way you look at it Corbyn has always stood shoulder to shoulder with Sinn Fein/IRA.

[Tman]

You can bring it down to a level of "what I said, what he said" if you like, but it's pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as we're not students.
The commonly-held belief among those it would affect (whether you wish to go with the semantics...yet again, or not) seems to be that existing student debt would be cancelled, goes back to before the election, and Corbyn has let it run without contradicting it.

In the numerous interviews he held prior to, and since the election he's never once said that he wouldn't be cancelling student debt, and he's had plenty of opportunities to set that particular record straight.
So what's it to be then,
1) he did actually intend that as a pre=election promise, or
2) he knew that he'd never said it, but was happy for the falsehood to be allowed to spread in the hope of gaining student votes?

A liar or a fool, but most likely both.

[jetblack]

You can bring it down to a level of "what I said, what he said" if you like

"bring it down to a level" ? What do you mean ? Cos "what he said" (Jeremy Corbyn that is) is the subject matter of this particular discussion - is it not ? No-one is lowering the tone by questioning what was and what wasn't said - it is the topic under debate.

The commonly-held belief among those it would affect.. seems to be that existing student debt would be cancelled

Citation needed - or you are pushing fake news again - aka. lies.

In the numerous interviews he held prior to, and since the election he's never once said that he wouldn't be cancelling student debt

Neither did Theresa May.
Corbyn didn't say that he wouldn't be running down Oxford Street dressed as a Lhama either. So what ?

A liar ..

To have lied he would have had to actually make the statement in the first place re. student debt - and then subsequently be seen to have rescinded on the vow.
Please provide evidence that he did make the statement, as this is what you have asserted up-thread - and if you can't, then surely its you who are the liar ?

[fishtank]

It's a stupid argument Tman and you know it, as many people would be appalled at the idea of cancelling student debt on that scale at the expense of the NHS as would be encouraged to vote Labour in the first place. He plainly didn't say it, he didn't imply it and reading the only citation you can actually come up with he clearly talks about reducing the burden of student debt not cancelling it across the board.

Students are by their nature an easy hunting ground for Labour, why would they make a £100b "promise" to an already pretty much converted audience knowing that it would be a windfall to the media and further entrench the "Labour money tree" narrative? It only makes any sense as "fake news" if it originated at Tory HQ as an attempt to paint the Labour party as an economic clusterfuck willing to throw billions on student parties and weed. It may be fake news but your origin makes no sense whatsoever.

[Tman]

You seem to make "stupid" judgement calls on quite a few threads these days.
Whether you, I or anyone else posts links it doesn't mean that Corbyn or his party members never said it, and conversely, he had plenty of opportunity to deny ever saying it and he didn't; he was more than happy for the young student voter to think it could happen under labour.

We're in repetition mode again.

[aiden01]

So you would prefer Corbyn to be running the country propped up by his Sinn Fein/IRA pals?

I know you don't deal with reality, but the Sinn Fein elected MPs don't take their seats in the Westminster UK Parliament.

Yes the Sinn Fein MPs do not take their seats in the UK Parliament. It doesn't stop Sinn Fein/IRA supporting their pal Corbyn to be Prime Minister given his long record of apologising for their cowardly acts of terrorism.

Whichever way you look at it Corbyn has always stood shoulder to shoulder with Sinn Fein/IRA.

So its OK may cuddles up with the DUP who were recently backed in the election by the uda\uvf. Always remember an ex-uvf leader turned politician saying he could tell the colour of all the dups leaders wallpaper in their homes as they the DUP always denied meeting terroriists

[jetblack]

It's a stupid argument Tman

Whether you, I or anyone else posts links it doesn't mean that Corbyn or his party members never said it

Yeah - what you talking about Fishtank ? Just because no-one actually said it doesn't necessarily mean they never said it, does it ?

I mean - they might have, well, thought it, mightn't they ? Which is, kind of, a bit like fake news and a sin by any mans Shaman - isn't it ???

You Trot.

[fishtank]

You seem to make "stupid" judgement calls on quite a few threads these days.
Whether you, I or anyone else posts links it doesn't mean that Corbyn or his party members never said it, and conversely, he had plenty of opportunity to deny ever saying it and he didn't; he was more than happy for the young student voter to think it could happen under labour.

We're in repetition mode again.

It doesn't mean that anyone said it because nobody actually said it, I don't see anyone sensible accusing Corbyn of saying it, I don't see May denying saying it if she said it, maybe Trump said it, I don't see him denying it so he must have said it, maybe Farron said it, it sounds like his kind of thing but who listens to him anyway? Maybe you dreamt the whole thing...who knows?

[baldrick]

it doesn't mean that Corbyn or his party members never said it, and conversely, he had plenty of opportunity to deny ever saying it and he didn't;

"Reports that say something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know there are known knowns, there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we know we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know".

Maybe Donald Rumpsfeld said it?

[Tman]

A lot of chaff thrown up to mask the original point.

From the Angela Rayner BBC Marr interview-

It will cost £100bn to fulfil Jeremy Corbyn’s aim of scrapping current student debt, Labour’s Shadow Education Secretary has admitted.
Angela Rayner said the policy remained an “ambition” because Labour does not know how it could be funded.

So it's been talked about sufficiently to be an "ambition" for the labour Party, yet according to you three, no-one ever said it. Did Rayner make it up then? Has Corbyn censured her for making off-the-cuff promises? Not as far as I've seen.
Seems like you three are basing your "he never said it" stance merely on the lack of word-perfect attributable links.
It's usually all-but impossible to prove a negative, so don't take up Law as a second job anytime soon.

[fishtank]

We're basing our "he never said it" on the fact that nobody has any evidence that he said it.