Poll : Are we all ready for a National Strike?

[postslippete]

I think Sierra's put more spin on this debate than Moeen Ali!!

[daveyeff]

I think Sierra's put more spin on this debate than Moeen Ali!!

aye, time to ignore the baiting.

[aiden01]

while we are on this topic, is it end of july/beginning of august the CWU have given RM to come up with an acceptable offer before we are balloted, or the end of august?...teebs, fish, dingo, anybody??

End of august.

[Phantom]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

[aiden01]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

He has none wonder why

[SierraOscarBravo]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

He has none wonder why

If you don't like your job then maybe you should seek alternative employment. Oh wait...a lot of you have never worked anywhere else and would be like fish out of water working in any other company that actually expects you to work your full paid hours.

Just like Corbyn has never had a proper job...

[ernieshoe]

i agree with striking and battling for whats right for us but....
Two weeks, even One week with no pay would severely destroy me & my family

This is a hard decision for me.

It's not going to be that way, even if it gets to the point of a strike it will only be one day a week and probably not every week, that's how it's been in the past few national strikes and the union is not stupid enough to repeat 1971 and have members starved back to work on poorer terms than they started with.

One day a week strikes are a result for Royal Mail.
They pay 4 days pay and 5 days mail gets delivered.
In my office people came in early and broke their backs to clear the backlog.
Waste of time !

[aiden01]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

He has none wonder why

If you don't like your job then maybe you should seek alternative employment. Oh wait...a lot of you have never worked anywhere else and would be like fish out of water working in any other company that actually expects you to work your full paid hours.

Just like Corbyn has never had a proper job...

Worked in many jobs different completely from rm were at least you have a good union backing ( although sometimes i beg to differ) just admit you will cross a picket line if it comes to that scenario. had 2 full weeks on strike just over 11yrs ago although hard financially we had great suppot from the public and offices across the whole country.

[30+YEARMAN]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

He has none wonder why

If you don't like your job then maybe you should seek alternative employment. Oh wait...a lot of you have never worked anywhere else and would be like fish out of water working in any other company that actually expects you to work your full paid hours.

Just like Corbyn has never had a proper job...

Must be a senior manager with a typical if you don,t like it there's the door attitude.I think if Royal Mail get their way a lot of people will be seeking alternative employment.

[Phantom]

There is no shame in fear but to attempt to transfer that fear to others is pretty despicable. There are highly paid people whose job it is to keep Royal Mail going, a major part of that job is to ensure that the workforce is engaged, committed and productive.

That obviously isn't the case in royal mail and if the staff (not the union) vote for industrial action the blame for that lies squarely at the feet of business and its failure to treat its staff with respect. If the business suffers due to industrial confrontation only someone with no idea of cause, effect and responsibility would blame the staff. This politically driven illiterate ideology that strikes are the fault of the union and its members completely removes any responsibility from the employer to maintain good industrial relations. Do engaged, committed and productive staff vote to strike?

Bury your heads in the sand if you wish but industrial action will only come about if union members dictated to by their bully boys masters vote for it. Whatever your beef is with management throwing a hissy fit and downing tools is not the way to deal with things.

The coal industry like many of our industries were decimated by the politically driven actions of militant trade union leaders who succeeded only in putting thousands of their members out of work. Union leaders today are raking in 6 figure salaries so the notion they are representing you is utter piffle.

Explain wild cat strikes happening all over the country. These are not union driven but anger from staff who have simply had enough of being bullied. And also SOB what is your solution?

He has none wonder why

If you don't like your job then maybe you should seek alternative employment. Oh wait...a lot of you have never worked anywhere else and would be like fish out of water working in any other company that actually expects you to work your full paid hours.

Just like Corbyn has never had a proper job...

Solutions? 2nd time!

[mickeymacca]

i agree with striking and battling for whats right for us but....
Two weeks, even One week with no pay would severely destroy me & my family

This is a hard decision for me.

It's not going to be that way, even if it gets to the point of a strike it will only be one day a week and probably not every week, that's how it's been in the past few national strikes and the union is not stupid enough to repeat 1971 and have members starved back to work on poorer terms than they started with.

One day a week strikes are a result for Royal Mail.
They pay 4 days pay and 5 days mail gets delivered.
In my office people came in early and broke their backs to clear the backlog.
Waste of time !

Yeh I'm sure they love it, all that great publicity, increased orders, shareholders chuffed with the instability. What about if we strike for a full week or a month, or a year, how much money would they save? why they'd be overflowing with saved wages, be brilliant for the shareholders. What a great business model operating with no staff, you should be getting yourself on Dragon's Den with that insight not sharing on Royalmailchat, someone might steal your idea.

Ernie I think SierraOscar has stolen your thunder on this thread............

[South_London_Postie]

As TBT and co rightly pointed out, just the threat of striking this time is different, with a public company everyone is accountable to the share holders! when our threats send waves into the share price these assholes will have no choice but to play ball. Even just to save their own skin!

You watch the privatisation may for once, work in the posties favour !

[South_London_Postie]

i agree with striking and battling for whats right for us but....
Two weeks, even One week with no pay would severely destroy me & my family

This is a hard decision for me.

I understand your point, and I am sure there are lots of people in your situation.

I think the key question you need to ask is "Can I afford not to strike ? "

think of the annual losses resulting from a inferior pension, loss of legacy payments, no pay for first 3 sick day, overtime being capped with shared walks, pt contracts etc.

Are you willing to sacrifice some short term wages for a better standard of living in the future ?

If so we will see you at the Gate ! :)

[Post69]

I don't generally add to the comments on this website but do find it very interesting (or entertaining) reading all the postie's different views all over the country! And this SOB guy has definitely put a fly in the ointment in this thread! I've been working for royal mail for 30+ year and I can agree with him that there is a lot of people who are lazy and hide behind the union (so to speak) and I have over the many years been on a fair few strikes! National and local issues and some of those strikes at the end of I thought "what the hell was all that about" (local union reps who have the arse with local management so we all lose two weeks pay for nothing) over the years I've seen it all,but the difference about the modern day industrial action is you generally don't get the support from the public if it drags on for more than a couple of days and back in the early days you didn't have the big Achilles heel which you have now which is house ownership ie mortgages! Like it or not you ask any person why they don't vote for industrial action and the first thing they say is "I've got a mortgage" and uncertainty on how long they lose pay for!. Now I'm all in support of this up and coming industrial unrest because of all the reasons that have been stated (I don't think we have any choice we've been backed into a corner) I just hope this doesn't turn into a political issue/fight because this is about our terms and conditions/pay which believe me is got to be protected at all costs and looking at our union leaders who I have the greatest respect for but do seem to be bounding around on Twitter going on about Jeremy corbyn labour party get the conservative party out etc etc this does concern me in which angle this up and coming fight is coming from?

[ernieshoe]

i agree with striking and battling for whats right for us but....
Two weeks, even One week with no pay would severely destroy me & my family

This is a hard decision for me.

It's not going to be that way, even if it gets to the point of a strike it will only be one day a week and probably not every week, that's how it's been in the past few national strikes and the union is not stupid enough to repeat 1971 and have members starved back to work on poorer terms than they started with.

One day a week strikes are a result for Royal Mail.
They pay 4 days pay and 5 days mail gets delivered.
In my office people came in early and broke their backs to clear the backlog.
Waste of time !

Yeh I'm sure they love it, all that great publicity, increased orders, shareholders chuffed with the instability. What about if we strike for a full week or a month, or a year, how much money would they save? why they'd be overflowing with saved wages, be brilliant for the shareholders. What a great business model operating with no staff, you should be getting yourself on Dragon's Den with that insight not sharing on Royalmailchat, someone might steal your idea.

Ernie I think SierraOscar has stolen your thunder on this thread............

Dont' think so mate - you just seem to miss points.
1 day a week strikes have no major impact.
Mainstream media will side with Royal Mail anyway.
The shares will take a hit - the moneymen will buy them up and wait for the price to rise again. Not a major problem.
If you strike for a week or a month that will hit Royal Mail hard. Not saying that a strike is a waste of time. I'm saying 1 day a week is a waste of time !
However if you went on strike for a month the gloves would be off and it would be the end of Royal Mail as you know it.
What a lot of people fail to grasp is that there is a lot of labour intensive work at royal mail which in 2017 just isn't needed. Things will change and are changing. Delivery offices will merge - indoor work will cease and the job will involve 90% delivery work minimum. I think a strike will just move that forward.

So many people on this board like so many postman I know just don't get it.
Fewer people receive letters and just see mail as outdated and junk.
Royal Mail needs to be a parcels business and needs staff that can accept change.
If you don't want 7 hours outside then Royal Mail won't be the job for you pretty damn soon.
Going on strike won't wave the magic wand you might think it will.
Not trying to antagonise - honest
Sierra is right on so many counts.
When I hear the union mentioning going on to monthly pay as a problem the word "Dinosaurs" springs to mind.