How will you vote?

[fishtank]

The reason it's a silly argument is because anything anyone reasonably attributes to Marxist theory or a derivation of his theories such as free education and universal health care will be decried by you as f**k all to do with Marx because Marx didn't specify the NHS in his work and then the whole cyclical pointless argument will start again.

Marx like Adam Smith has influenced the social/economic model we have today in almost every country in world, nothing more, nothing less. How much is the pointless part of the argument.

[Tman]

htank"]The reason it's a silly argument is because anything anyone reasonably attributes to Marxist theory or a derivation of his theories such as free education and universal health care will be decried by you as f**k all to do with Marx because Marx didn't specify the NHS in his work and then the whole cyclical pointless argument will start again.

So you'd know what I would decry or not, now?
That said, how "anyone" reasonably attributes free education or universal healthcare to Marxism or Marxist theory is stretching the point to almost Pythonesque lengths. So what else dear dear old Karl advocate? Bank Holidays? Mass immunisation programmes? State retirement ages?
I know, randomly pick any possible improvement in the human condition over the last hundred years and say Marx had a hand in that.

Marx like Adam Smith has influenced the social/economic model we have today in almost every country in world, nothing more, nothing less. How much is the pointless part of the argument.

You give them both far too much credit. The world would have been much the same (although with a far higher population in those regions where the idiot Marx was actually taken seriously) had neither been born.

[Tman]

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Look at this shite.
Democracy in action? We live in dangerous times.

[Lounge Lizard]

Tman,
So what's "dangerous" about that ?

[greengiant]

So people shouldn't protest tman? What's more dangerous is a tory government in collusion with the DUP! A Coalition of Chaos for Ms. May in a desparate bid to stay in power. Surely that is where the danger lies tman?

[baldrick]

Wimbledon Issues Ban on chanting "Jeremy Corbyn"!
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[baldrick]

Jeremy Corbyn speaks to massive crowds at Durham Miners Gala (yesterday)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0_V0bvU7sY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lounge Lizard]

Baldrick,
Given the choice I would rather go and listen to a principled politician than watch two people knocking a ball about.

[Tman]

Jeremy Corbyn speaks to massive crowds at Durham Miners Gala (yesterday)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0_V0bvU7sY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's about as relevant or realistic as saying First Direction played to massive crowds yesterday. That crowd would've cheered a telegraph pole wearing a red rosette. Post another link when he attracts the same dewy-eyed adulation from say, the Henley Regatta crowd, or the Reigate District WI, or even the West Bromwich Labour social club...
In the meantime, he should be more worried about the antics of Momentum,issues like Luciana Berger, and growing anti-Semitism in the Labour party.
Something's very wrong behind the old Fraud's façade...

[feduppostie]

Jeremy Corbyn speaks to massive crowds at Durham Miners Gala (yesterday)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0_V0bvU7sY" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's about as relevant or realistic as saying First Direction played to massive crowds yesterday. That crowd would've cheered a telegraph pole wearing a red rosette. Post another link when he attracts the same dewy-eyed adulation from say, the Henley Regatta crowd, or the Reigate District WI, or even the West Bromwich Labour social club...
In the meantime, he should be more worried about the antics of Momentum,issues like Luciana Berger, and growing anti-Semitism in the Labour party.
Something's very wrong behind the old Fraud's façade...

Oh don't tell me you believe the press/media about momentum - explain to me exactly what antics they are getting up to then??

Momentum has been so positive for the Labour Party that the conservatives are now trying to form their own version - I am both a momentum member and a labour party member - all momentum do is support the Labour party in getting them into government - they are demonized in the press purely because they can't control them - it's just a like minded group of people who mainly filled the gap when we could not have labour meetings due to the leadership battle - there is no looney left wing nutters rabidly forming plans, just normal people passing ideas back and forth we have home baked snacks at meetings FGS

[Tman]

Oh don't tell me you believe the press/media about momentum - explain to me exactly what antics they are getting up to then??

I note you didn't mention Berger or anti-Semitism, there.....

Momentum has been so positive for the Labour Party that the conservatives are now trying to form their own version -

Personally I don't give a monkeys what the Conservatives do, but I do care about what's happened to "my" life-long party. It may well get into power at some point in the near future, but it'll be a very hollow victory for me. It would be a victory built on little more than fake news and media campaigns rather than any real electoral progress.
The party is shambolic and the leadership (other than maybe Starmer) are ineffectual no-hopers.
The time is right for another Kinnock to clear out the fantasists who cling to Labour in the hope of getting some power at some point.

[baldrick]

The time is right for another Kinnock to clear out the fantasists who cling to Labour in the hope of getting some power at some point.

That would be the Kinnock who led the Labour Party to two GE defeats?

Or his son who was canvassing support from Labour MPs and big financial donors to form a breakaway party?
btw, apparently Umuna was going to declare a new breakaway party with Blair's (and Kinnock's?) support after the expected Tory GE landslide.
But that was dropped at least for the time being after Corbyn's great result. If it hadn't been for the PLP backstabbing over the last two years he might have won a majority.
Labour is now showing as having a majority support in opinion polls.

[Tman]

That would be the Kinnock who led the Labour Party to two GE defeats?

The same, so well done for word association, but that wasn't the point.
His greatest achievement was that saw off Eric Heffer etc and the Militant Tendency, another bunch of quasi and pseudo Marxist Hard Left nut-jobs which had attached itself to the labour Party but prevented the labour party from attaining national government.
Hence the comment...we need another Kinnock.

[SierraOscarBravo]

The time is right for another Kinnock to clear out the fantasists who cling to Labour in the hope of getting some power at some point.

That would be the Kinnock who led the Labour Party to two GE defeats?

Or his son who was canvassing support from Labour MPs and big financial donors to form a breakaway party?
btw, apparently Umuna was going to declare a new breakaway party with Blair's (and Kinnock's?) support after the expected Tory GE landslide.
But that was dropped at least for the time being after Corbyn's great result. If it hadn't been for the PLP backstabbing over the last two years he might have won a majority.
Labour is now showing as having a majority support in opinion polls.

Jeremy Corbyn is promising to wipe out £100 billion of student debt. Where is the money coming from????

[Tman]

No-one knows, but it doesn't matter as it 'll never happen.
Another cynical move by the Old Fraud, and guaranteed to turn another generation off from politics when they find politicians' promises turn out to be worthless.
Still, that'll teach them to vote for someone merely on the strength that thier mate liked him on Facebook..