norm wrote:Amazed at the blinkered vision 48% of the electorate have shown voting Tory. May calling the election in the first place shows she's well out her depth to get it so wrong.
I agree with the gist of your post Norm - but they actually got 42.4%. Meaning 57.6% didn't vote for them. Its a foible of the FPP electoral system that this vote translated to 49% of the seats.
Under Single Transferable Vote the Tories would be out of power altogether, even given an alliance with the DUP.
Given the bias of the mass media, the nasty negative campaigning of the Conservatives (which was reflected on this very forum by certain posters), and I have to say the hostility of the right wing vested interests within the Parliamentary Labour Party, its a miracle that Labour managed 40% of the vote.
I have to say that to some extent my faith in humanity has been fortifed and bolstered by this general election result.
Yes, I condemn his terrorist actions as I condemn all terrorist actions. He pleaded guilty to them and served a prison sentence. Eventually, he decided to find a peaceful solution, but his actions as leader of the uMkhonto we Sizwe were wrong and evil and in no way are excused by his subsequent actions. But to his credit he never said he was perfect, he was a flawed man and made many errors, and admitted, to it in many speeches and books.
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aiden01 wrote:after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.
I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?
I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).
I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.
I think you have taken it out of context, when I responded to somebody who made the ludicrous comparison between the present day muslim terrorism and the historical territorial and religious conflict in Ulster where casualties were in the main targeted and not indiscriminate by policy. Yes, they have death in common but blowing up kids at a concert? Having a general hatred off all in the world bar themselves? Come on. Two very different situations. Do hear the Islamist Extremists phone warnings in when they are about to blow up a shopping precinct or bus full of people? The definite objective is to murder as many innocent people as possible whereas the Provos and Loyalists would consider that an own goal, as indeed was the case after PIRA murdered that poor little boy and others in Warrington.
Just admit you made a silly statement instead of trying to blame others..
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aiden01 wrote:after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.
I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?
I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).
I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.
I think you have taken it out of context, when I responded to somebody who made the ludicrous comparison between the present day muslim terrorism and the historical territorial and religious conflict in Ulster where casualties were in the main targeted and not indiscriminate by policy. Yes, they have death in common but blowing up kids at a concert? Having a general hatred off all in the world bar themselves? Come on. Two very different situations. Do hear the Islamist Extremists phone warnings in when they are about to blow up a shopping precinct or bus full of people? The definite objective is to murder as many innocent people as possible whereas the Provos and Loyalists would consider that an own goal, as indeed was the case after PIRA murdered that poor little boy and others in Warrington.
Just admit you made a silly statement instead of trying to blame others..
so who warned the young postman that next time you turn up for work ( you will be shot dead by uda) any clues??
I was doing a bit of research into a similar topic to PR.
The Isle of Wight has over 110,000 registered voters and a constituency in Scotland called "Na h-Eileanan an Iar" has just over 14,000
That makes a vote in Na h-Eileanan an Iar worth over 5 times as much as one in the Isle of Wight.
The whole seat system is just plain wrong, although I don't really know how it would work otherwise. You vote for you local MP to represent you and they get seat in parliament. Not all constituencies can be of equal size, and they can also be arranged to give prefernce to particular parites. I don't see much alternative.
So the Tories, the Tory Press and some rmc posters were incensed that Corbyn had appeared on a platform with Sinn Fein representatives.
What do they think about May forming a Government Alliance with the DUP who have a history of support for terrorists and arranged secret funding of loyalist paramilitary (terrorist) groups who got £5m of UK taxpayers' money? Government gave UDA-linked groups £5 million of taxpayer's money http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunda ... 21805.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Tman wrote:
You're getting desperate if you rely on Mandelson or Owen Smith for your personal affirmation.
As for "Who is Chris Leslie"...he's someone that has more say in the future of the Labour Party than Mandelson or Smith.
I don't have much time for Smith or Mandelson, who I trust as far as I can throw him, but just saying that someone who was saying 3 months ago that he woke up every morning thinking of how he could undermine Corbyn is now doing an about face - or maybe supporting corby now is part of his plan to undermine him.
As for Chris Leslie being 'the future of the Labour Party', I think the young voters in the video in this article are the future of the Labour Party: Jeremy Corbyn has caused a sensation - he would make a fine prime minister https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ter-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And where is sierraoscarbravo? They were both predicting a Conservative landslide and the destruction of the Labour Party, though from different perspectives.
Perhaps they are in penetive contemplative retreat, considering the error of their ways.
The immediate question now is how and when strong and stable May leaves Downing Street. Mexit means Mexit! But will it be a hard or soft Mexit?
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Just to answer Jet's question I was rock climbing in the Scottish mountains with my wife ( it was our wedding anniversary ).
As for the election, it was a stunning and unexpected result for Corbyn and Labour and I take my hat of to him ( I won't be eating it though). There is no upside for the Tories despite some of the desperate comments on here and May's attempt to cling on to power, if you start the game intent on gaining more seats and a stronger mandate to govern and implement Brexit and you end up losing your majority then you've obviously lost the gamble big time.
Instead of continuing the same old polemic and divisive narrative on here it would be far more interesting for all of those involved if they sit back and wonder why Thursday actually happened. This country is at a political crossroads and a divisive inability to accept opinions other than our own is the last thing it needs.
