How will you vote?

[NWpostie]

Scotland before Thatcher was actually a Conservative stronghold as many Scots then identified themselves as Unionist while still being proud to be Scottish, it was SNP who exploited the fall out from the poll tax and the loss of heavy manufacturing jobs and turned it into an anti Conservative agenda and by default an anti English sentiment, stirring up resentments for political gain. it seems there is a "reset" against this and Indyref2.

[bustedflush]

I haven't read the S*n in about 20 years and wouldn't wipe my a$$ on it. I don't but a newspaper unless occasionally when on a long trip or something and need a broadsheet for some long articles and the crosswords to keep me occupied as opposed to crap about some c-list actress from DeadEnders or Brokeback Farm. Just FYI.

Unlike most of you unless off I don't have to get up early as I work from home so I had the liberty of doing a nightshift watching it and listening to many commentators and stats. If anyone did better than C*rbyn it was that Scottish lass, Ruth who seems very astute and wily, surely destined for some major position eventually. Pro-rata I'd say her achievement was greater. he gained 20-odd seats from a huge pool, she gained 12 from a small one with massive swings. In the end that has given May enough to form a working government. Instead of wanting to knock that omnipresent Wee Jimmy Sturgeon over (incidentally like my Scottish pal does) I am now bowing in gratitude to the Scots as if it wasn't for them we'd have the chaos of another election during Brexit, or even worse C*rbyn having some power.

Also, for the record, I seldom vote Tory but I was funnelled into it effectively by the insanity of the alternative(s).

[Chimps_tea_party]

I would never be funnelled into voting for a party that continues to use austerity as a golden opportunity to inflict more hardship on those in our society less fortunate than ourselves whilst giving handouts to the already well off.

If we abolished first past the post and political donations maybe there would be more consensus and balance in our society.

[Tman]

Although Corbyn supporters (rather than necessarily labour supporters) are understandably claiming a massive victory the hard truth is a little different.
Despite a huge "Vote Corbyn" social media campaign amongst the students and graduates and other under-25s leading to an unheard-of 76% turn-out for this age group, and a pervasive anti-Brexit vote (Kensington voting Labour for the first time ever? Really?) Corbyn still lost the election by a substantial margin.
The last time we had a Tory-Labour change of government was in 1997 with Tony Blair, and despite having no social media campaigns or protest votes to help him along he won by a land-slide.
The canny campaigners in the Labour Party probably realise that Corbyn, far from being a future PM, has likely peaked, and the consideration for a new leader is under way.
Protest votes by their nature are only on contemporary issues and won't last, but the Old Fraud is too conceited (or stupid) to understand that.
Like May, he won't last.

[SpacePhoenix]

How many of the students that voted Labour only did so because of the promise of free tuition? I can't see how that would have worked without it being fully funded by tax payers. My gut feeling is that if it wasn't funded by tax payers the Unis would have axed most courses that weren't science, maths, technology, engineering, medical/medicine

[jetblack]

[Tman]

Yeah OK jet, unless it's you doing the flogging?
Meanwhile someone agrees with me about Corbyn and the future-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231738" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[baldrick]

Meanwhile someone agrees with me about Corbyn and the future-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40231738" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm glad you have found someone who agrees with you Tman. I don't think I'd heard of Chris Leslie before.
There are many of Corbyn's former detractors, including Hilary Benn, Mandelson, Owen Smith, Chuka Ummuna, Yvette Cooper, and Tom Watson who are now praising him, and I expect there will be more to come.
Peter Mandelson eats a slice of humble pie
https://www.thecanary.co/2017/06/09/pet ... ous-video/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Who'd have thought it!

Owen Smith:I was clearly wrong
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 81411.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TrueBlueTerrier]

after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.

I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?

I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).

I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I haven't read the S*n in about 20 years and wouldn't wipe my a$$ on it. I don't but a newspaper unless occasionally when on a long trip or something and need a broadsheet for some long articles and the crosswords to keep me occupied as opposed to crap about some c-list actress from DeadEnders or Brokeback Farm. Just FYI.

Unlike most of you unless off I don't have to get up early as I work from home so I had the liberty of doing a nightshift watching it and listening to many commentators and stats. If anyone did better than C*rbyn it was that Scottish lass, Ruth who seems very astute and wily, surely destined for some major position eventually. Pro-rata I'd say her achievement was greater. he gained 20-odd seats from a huge pool, she gained 12 from a small one with massive swings. In the end that has given May enough to form a working government. Instead of wanting to knock that omnipresent Wee Jimmy Sturgeon over (incidentally like my Scottish pal does) I am now bowing in gratitude to the Scots as if it wasn't for them we'd have the chaos of another election during Brexit, or even worse C*rbyn having some power.

Also, for the record, I seldom vote Tory but I was funnelled into it effectively by the insanity of the alternative(s).

Yet May has joined forces with a political organisation who considers Ruth Davidsons sexuality an "Abomination"

[bustedflush]

after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.

I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?

I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).

I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.

I think you have taken it out of context, when I responded to somebody who made the ludicrous comparison between the present day muslim terrorism and the historical territorial and religious conflict in Ulster where casualties were in the main targeted and not indiscriminate by policy. Yes, they have death in common but blowing up kids at a concert? Having a general hatred off all in the world bar themselves? Come on. Two very different situations. Do hear the Islamist Extremists phone warnings in when they are about to blow up a shopping precinct or bus full of people? The definite objective is to murder as many innocent people as possible whereas the Provos and Loyalists would consider that an own goal, as indeed was the case after PIRA murdered that poor little boy and others in Warrington.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.

I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?

I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).

I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.

I think you have taken it out of context, when I responded to somebody who made the ludicrous comparison between the present day Islamic terrorism and the historical territorial and religious conflict in Ulster where casualties were in the main targeted and not indiscriminate by policy. Yes, they have death in common but blowing up kids at a concert? Having a general hatred off all in the world bar themselves? Come on. Two very different situations. Do hear the Islamic terrorists phone warnings in when they are about to blow up a shopping precinct or bus full of people? The definite objective is to murder as many innocent people as possible whereas the Provos and Loyalists would consider that an own goal, as indeed was the case after PIRA murdered that poor little boy and others in Warrington.

Please remove the word "Muslims" from this post and use a more appropriate word. Not all Muslims support terrorism, as neither did all Loyalist or all Catholics.

Also, you are wrong about the UVF. One of their sayings (Johhny Adair is attributed) was "If you can't get your target, then any Taig will do". If that's not indiscriminate I don't know what is. Their first bomb killed a Protestant widow, and they killed 6 members of the security forces during the Troubles.

If you research the Shankill Butchers as well you'll find out they cut the throats of 6 innocent Catholics. Is that any different. Its all evil, there is no good terrorist, they are all evil and should be condemned whenever and wherever possible. The terrorist's religion or affiliation has no bearing because the vast majority of those people who support those groups, or are believers of whichever religion are against their name being used as justification for such heinous acts.

If people continue to equate all Muslims to being Islamic terrorists, then, in my opinion, they are just continuing the hatred, and are helping those same terrorists they hate, to radicalise susceptible Muslims even more.

[Tman]

="baldrick"]

Meanwhile someone agrees with me about Corbyn and the future-
Peter Mandelson eats a slice of humble pie
Owen Smith:I was clearly wrong

You're getting desperate if you rely on Mandelson or Owen Smith for your personal affirmation.
Mandelson's always been a bigger electoral liability to labour than the likes of Brown, Miliband and Abbott combined.
(OK not Abbott; she's an Olympic standard liability all on her own)

As for "Who is Chris Leslie"...he's someone that has more say in the future of the Labour Party than Mandelson or Smith.

[datasaint]

Amazed at the blinkered vision 48% of the electorate have shown voting Tory. May calling the election in the first place shows she's well out her depth to get it so wrong.

[bustedflush]

after the recent terrorist attacks in London and Manchester how can may now rely on the DUP who are backed by every illegal loyalist organisation shameful.

I don't recall the UFF or UVF ever blowing up innocent people on the UK mainland?

I don't believe you posted that. Are you really saying it's okay, or at least more acceptable to kill Catholics in the province. You do know that the LVF (a cover name used by the Red Hand Commandoes - Led by Rev I Paisley and the UDA) murdered a colleague of ours at late as 2002. (So after the peace process).

I really hope you just explained that poorly because no one should equate where an innocent is killed to the acceptability of a terrible act of terrorism.

I think you have taken it out of context, when I responded to somebody who made the ludicrous comparison between the present day Islamic terrorism and the historical territorial and religious conflict in Ulster where casualties were in the main targeted and not indiscriminate by policy. Yes, they have death in common but blowing up kids at a concert? Having a general hatred off all in the world bar themselves? Come on. Two very different situations. Do hear the Islamic terrorists phone warnings in when they are about to blow up a shopping precinct or bus full of people? The definite objective is to murder as many innocent people as possible whereas the Provos and Loyalists would consider that an own goal, as indeed was the case after PIRA murdered that poor little boy and others in Warrington.

Please remove the word "Muslims" from this post and use a more appropriate word. Not all Muslims support terrorism, as neither did all Loyalist or all Catholics.

Also, you are wrong about the UVF. One of their sayings (Johhny Adair is attributed) was "If you can't get your target, then any Taig will do". If that's not indiscriminate I don't know what is. Their first bomb killed a Protestant widow, and they killed 6 members of the security forces during the Troubles.

If you research the Shankill Butchers as well you'll find out they cut the throats of 6 innocent Catholics. Is that any different. Its all evil, there is no good terrorist, they are all evil and should be condemned whenever and wherever possible. The terrorist's religion or affiliation has no bearing because the vast majority of those people who support those groups, or are believers of whichever religion are against their name being used as justification for such heinous acts.

If people continue to equate all Muslims to being Islamic terrorists, then, in my opinion, they are just continuing the hatred, and are helping those same terrorists they hate, to radicalise susceptible Muslims even more.

Do you include Nelson Mandela in that, when he co-founded uMkhonto we Sizwe?