How will you vote?

[cpsteve]

It could be a close call with the so called strong leader losing her strength. Diane Abbott is the big problem for Labour she loses votes every time she opens her mouth. Its Labour for me but make no mistake its going to be a tough four years whoever gets in.

[jetblack]

It could be a close call with the so called strong leader losing her strength.

You say that but it was nice to see her put Trump straight at the G7 meeting about the US leaks of intelligence.
I heard that Trump was quaking in his boots
This from a woman who was the first world leader to hot foot it across the Atlantic to kiss his arse upon his election.

[baldrick]

the Tories seem to be clearer about what Brexit actually means.

Perhaps you can tell us what that is. All I've heard May say is that Brexit means Brexit. Nothing is clear about what that means. May and Boris used to be pro-EU.
Boris wants us to be out of the EU but part of Europe. The majority of Tory MPs wanted the UK to remain in the EU , which they took us in to.The right wing of the Conservative MPs ('the Bastards' as John Major called them) want a hard Brexit without any agreement.
So what is it that the Tories are clearer about?

[SierraOscarBravo]

the Tories seem to be clearer about what Brexit actually means.

Perhaps you can tell us what that is. All I've heard May say is that Brexit means Brexit. Nothing is clear about what that means. May and Boris used to be pro-EU.
Boris wants us to be out of the EU but part of Europe. The majority of Tory MPs wanted the UK to remain in the EU , which they took us in to.The right wing of the Conservative MPs ('the Bastards' as John Major called them) want a hard Brexit without any agreement.
So what is it that the Tories are clearer about?

It means delivering the Brexit that the UK people voted for last year. There was no option of a hard or soft Brexit in the referendum. It was a very simple and very clear in or out question.

Theresa May accepts the democratic result of the EU referendum. Like Tim Farron she campaigned to remain in the EU, but unlike Remoaner Tim, she is not still protesting the result and kicking and stamping her feet demanding another referendum.

Theresa May's instincts on Brexit and national security are more in tune with the mainstream electorate than Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell who have spent their careers sympathising with terrorist groups, despising British history and heritage and pandering to political correctness.

[baldrick]

the Tories seem to be clearer about what Brexit actually means.

Perhaps you can tell us what that is. All I've heard May say is that Brexit means Brexit. Nothing is clear about what that means. May and Boris used to be pro-EU.
Boris wants us to be out of the EU but part of Europe. The majority of Tory MPs wanted the UK to remain in the EU , which they took us in to.The right wing of the Conservative MPs ('the Bastards' as John Major called them) want a hard Brexit without any agreement.
So what is it that the Tories are clearer about?

It means delivering the Brexit that the UK people voted for last year. There was no option of a hard or soft Brexit in the referendum. It was a very simple and very clear in or out question.

Then why is she negotiating a Brexit agreement over two years. If it is as simple as just leaving she could do that immediately, not pfaffing about for two years.
And why does she need the 'strong mandate' she claims she needs?

[baldrick]

Strong and stable? Doing a U-turn on the dementia tax within 48 hours of announcing it as a central plank of her manifesto?
Not even all Tories think much of her: Theresa May Isn't Strong She's Cowardly, Evasive And Weak - And I'm A Tory!
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[TrueBlueTerrier]

If you don't like parties that allow "terrorist sympathisers" in their midst, best to do some research. An ex-lover of an IRA chief David O'Connell, who went on at least one arms run, and stated: "I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better,".

She is now a councillor in Croydon. Her name is Maria Gatland, she was Maria McGuire.

[Tman]

Does that make Corbyn, Macdonnell's and Abbott's past comments and/or actions more palatable in some way?

"Two wrongs...etc etc."

[Danelectro]

Does that make Corbyn, Macdonnell's and Abbott's past comments and/or actions more palatable in some way?

"Two wrongs...etc etc."

Well Shergar what exactly did Corbyn say because the last comment you attributed to him actually came from your own mouth and not his.

Should we really be discussing what happened 30 or 40 years ago (here's Thatcher in the 80s praising the Mujahideen.https://youtu.be/wAUdupZlzwo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) when it's came to light that the Manchester bomber was fighting in Libya at the age of 16 and that MI6 had facilitated access to and from Libya for potential terrorists like Abedi to fight in the uprising against Gedafi and then when he returned- he and others not properly monitored.All of this happened under Mays watch as Home Secretary.

[Tman]

You're making irrelevant comparisons again Arkle.
So any mistake, error, poor judgement, etc by anyone past or present can be off-set against Corbyn's idiotic and dangerous actions?
The world you inhabit must be that one where "ah yeah but, what about..." logic rules.
It doesn't, and it's Corbyn, the hopeful leader of the next UK government who's made serious errors of judgement on many occasions. Someone can't give implied or tacit support to terrorist organisations then hope it'll all be forgotten later because he now wants to be PM.
Another one which is going to resurface (were the nightmare of a Corbyn win ever happen) is the Falklands, as the idiotic old fool unilaterally offered Argentina hope of some future power-sharing agreement, even though the Islanders themselves voted over-whelmingly against any involvement by Buenos Aires.
How any service-person, ex or current, could vote for this self-serving fraud knowing that 250-odd British service men died to continue the right of the Islanders' self-determination, is just tragic and bizarre, and that's besides the Islanders themselves being hung out to dry just to show what a world statesman Jezza thinks he is.
Still, it was 35 years ago and 5000 miles away so we can forget about their sacrifice, eh...

[Newbie001]

Can see now why May didn't want to do TV debates. Corbyn is coming across a lot lot better on the Sky News debate. Could be a Murdoch own goal.

[NWpostie]

Can see now why May didn't want to do TV debates. Corbyn is coming across a lot lot better on the Sky News debate. Could be a Murdoch own goal.

I thought May came out ahead, at least she was explicit about Brexit and Immigration. Corbyn wants to invite them all in along with their families and he wants a deal at any cost with the EU, he won't walk away without a deal, that means we will get a bad deal.

His past actions, affiliations, wishy washy peacenik polices regarding the Falklands, doesn't work in the real world. then we got Diane Abbott as a potential Home Secretary who cheered on the IRA and "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us", Abbott voted against proscribing organisations including al-Qaida and Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Another Abbott car crash interview, its getting a bit regular.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -about-ira" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

McDonnell apologising for his support of the IRA, its easy to do all this when you're a backbencher, its a little different on the front bench, its all catching up.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ent-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The impression I'm getting is that the Labour party is run by amateurs, who spent a long time in the back bench playing "gesture politics" and once thrust in the lime light, finds its all catching up with them.

[jetblack]

"She is a weathercock who believes in very little" - first time I've agreed with Nigel Farage, spot on. The branch that sways with every breeze is not the one to put your weight on. Makes you wonder why she's in this game at all.

Paxman is just a cock who believes in very little

[baldrick]

Can see now why May didn't want to do TV debates. Corbyn is coming across a lot lot better on the Sky News debate. Could be a Murdoch own goal.

at least she was explicit about Brexit

Was she? All she said was that she wanted the best deal for the UK which anyone would say. Not what that means. It could mean anything. We can only guess that means a trade deal, but what is she prepared to offer in return? OK I know no negotiator would want to show their hand in advance, but that does mean she can't be expicit, and she wasn't.
As for immigration, she was Home Secretary for the last two Governments and couldn't keep her pledge to keep non-EU immigration to the tens of thousands.
She wasn't able to say how she would do it in the future.
I acknowledge I am partisan, but I don't think she came across well.

[NWpostie]

Can see now why May didn't want to do TV debates. Corbyn is coming across a lot lot better on the Sky News debate. Could be a Murdoch own goal.

at least she was explicit about Brexit

Was she? All she said was that she wanted the best deal for the UK which anyone would say. Not what that means. It could mean anything. We can only guess that means a trade deal, but what is she prepared to offer in return? OK I know no negotiator would want to show their hand in advance, but that does mean she can't be expicit, and she wasn't.
As for immigration, she was Home Secretary for the last two Governments and couldn't keep her pledge to keep non-EU immigration to the tens of thousands.
She wasn't able to say how she would do it in the future.
I acknowledge I am partisan, but I don't think she came across well.

Corbyn came across a bit vague and wishy washy over defence, drone targeting, economy, IRA and Hamas connection, Falklands (Tory plot ?)