How will you vote?

[jetblack]

The IRA were different, not only did they live in the real world, but when US backing dried up after 9/11 and also weariness that their acts werent getting the results they desired, they came to an agreement.... Notice they didnt come to an agreement before their position was weakened.

Its getting late - but I will come back to this maybe tommorrow.

Just wanted to quote it now just in case you decide to later delete it, having realised the utter absurdity of what it is that you are trying to peddle.

[Postie45]

well youve failed miserably so far, but ill await for what you bring next ! :)

[fishtank]

You talk about Isis as if it's a structured organisation with a command and control hierarchy, if only it was it would have been destroyed a long time ago.

Isis is a belief system that various malcontents, misfits, psychopaths and zealots entwine their own beliefs around. You can't destroy it with bombs and guns because in reality it doesn't exist. You can't negotiate with it because no-one really talks on its behalf. The only thing you can hope to do is remove its reason for being, remove its excuses, remove its false justification but at the end of the day even if you can you'll still be left with the malcontents, misfits, psychopaths and zealots.

[NWpostie]

Problem with Corbynistas.

They are anti Semetic,
Terrorist appeassers,
Muddle facts to suit their agenda,
Reliving the 70s,
Wants to abandon Brexit,
Unrealistic defence policies.

While we are about the links between intervention and bombings.
Other countries not involved with the invasions are attacked.
Belgium, Germany, Coptic Christians, etc.

Corbyn is being economical with the truth to suit his agenda and to use the Manchester tragedy for political gains is quite frankly disgusting.

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[fishtank]

Problem with Corbynistas.

They are anti Semetic,
Terrorist appeassers,
Muddle facts to suit their agenda,
Reliving the 70s,
Wants to abandon Brexit,
Unrealistic defence policies.

The problem with people who are terrified of change is that they want to put people in boxes and stick a label on the box. It makes them feel safe and avoids any complicated thinking. I'm not a fan of Corbyn as I've pointed out numerous times but your closed mind and lazy stereotypes add nothing to the debate.

While we are about the links between intervention and bombings.
Other countries not involved with the invasions are attacked.
Belgium, Germany, Coptic Christians, etc.

The correlation between western intervention strategy and terrorism goes slightly deeper than something as simple as the location of terrorist attacks, the vast majority of terrorism occurs in the country where the intervention occurred like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but that doesn't concern you does it?

Corbyn is being economical with the truth to suit his agenda and to use the Manchester tragedy for political gains is quite frankly disgusting.

Get off the moral high horse NW, all of the parties are focusing on terrorism now, they are all seeking to make political capital from the attack in Manchester, do you think Corbyn should just pretend it hasn't happened?

[NWpostie]

Corbyn is anti Semetic, IRA sympathiser and a CND member planing to scrap. Nuclear weapons and take the cowardly way out of conflict while planning to scupper Brexit.

I hope he gets voted out of his own seat on June 8th

[baldrick]

I don't think it really matters whether we invaded any where or not.

"We need to recognise that a central element of foreign policy - the intervention in Iraq - has failed in its objectives so badly that the threat to this country is actually greater than it was before it began."

"The invasion of Iraq undoubtedly increased the terrorist threat in Britain."

"The invasion of Iraq did not create the problem of murderous Islamic fundamentalists, though the war has unquestionably sharpened the resentments felt by such people in this country, and given them a new pretext."

It wasn't Corbyn who made those statements.
The first was David Cameron in a 2006 speech endorsing the Conservative Party's policy group's report on security issues.
The second was Eliza Manningham-Buller, former MI5 head in evidence to the Chilcot Enquiry in 2010.
The third was Boris Johnson (now Foreign Minister) in 2005.

Tory Michael Fallon slates 'Jeremy Corbyn quote' live on air - then realises they were Boris Johnson's words
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The Conservatives and the Tory supporting media are using anything they can to attack Corbyn as they see support growing for him.

[NWpostie]

The correlation between western intervention strategy and terrorism goes slightly deeper than something as simple as the location of terrorist attacks, the vast majority of terrorism occurs in the country where the intervention occurred like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria but that doesn't concern you doesn't it

It was Corbyn who said our intervention put us in danger.

It's right that we should confront Jihadists, being western would make us a target anyway as Belgium had discovered.

The alternative of allowing them to thrive unfettered and mass executions, rapes, and genocide. Is unthinkable they use that as an opportunity to build up enough strengths to attack as they have a stated aim of creating aa caliphate stretching from Spain (Al Andulas) to Afghanistan. These are evils that must be confronted.

[aiden01]

Corbyn is anti Semetic, IRA sympathiser and a CND member planing to scrap. Nuclear weapons and take the cowardly way out of conflict while planning to scupper Brexit.

I hope he gets voted out of his own seat on June 8th

How can he be an IRA sympathiser when they no longer exist

[Tman]

You're being somewhat naïve to even contemplate that the IRA no longer exist, but they certainly used to exist quite openly back then, and Corbyn Abbott and MacDonell (to thier eternal shame) made statements and appearances which clearly showed support.

Your logic is akin to saying there are no more Nazi sympathisers anymore because WW2 is over

[baldrick]

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Conservatives are going to use anything they can to smear Corbyn, to deflect scrutiny of their cuts to the NHS, education, welfare, policing etc.

[Tman]

Seems like all the media outlets are or have questioned Corbyn about his IRA links. No smearing involved.
He did it, and now he has to explain why, as who would want some apologist for terror groups killing UK citizens, as PM?
How deranged would someone be to cheer "every victory over the British state"? (Abbott again)
Then again, who'd really want the old fraud as PM or Abbott, MacDonnell etc in positions of power...no-one's that deluded, are they?

[aiden01]

You're being somewhat naïve to even contemplate that the IRA no longer exist, but they certainly used to exist quite openly back then, and Corbyn Abbott and MacDonell (to thier eternal shame) made statements and appearances which clearly showed support.

Your logic is akin to saying there are no more Nazi sympathisers anymore because WW2 is over

I will take the word of the chief constable of ni and many others who say they no longer exist. do you honestly believe sinn fein would be in stormont government if the IRA still existed

[Tman]

I certainly do, and even if we were to believe that naïve assumption re the Provisional IRA, there's still the "Real IRA" and the so-called "Continuity IRA" out there and popping up to plant a bomb or kill some delivery boy etc.
No matter, if they're notionally Left Wing old Jezza loves 'em all.

[fishtank]

It's right that we should confront Jihadists

Ok.
What's your plan?

Every attempt by western governments to confront Jihadist extremism head on has failed and not just failed but proper f****d up failed by making the situation worse and increasing the danger of terrorist attacks not only in western countries but more frequently in the countries where we have intervened.

I can hear a lot of blowhard, let's kick some ass, get tough shite but I'm not seeing even the tiniest glimpse of an idea that isn't same s**t-different day. Remind me what Einstein didn't say about the definition of insanity...