Securing our future leaflet - legacy payments

Post by **stephen500** » 05 May 2017, 16:14

woopesh wrote:Legacy payments? What do you get the extra £2288 for?

£20 ex PHG for loss of grade and marking time with pay till postmen caught up
£0.25 PBS bonus scheme
£9.30 processing supplement
£15 night allowance retention (ex Phg)
All per week.

robsbelly · Post by **robsbelly** » 05 May 2017, 16:22

Wot the hell is giving back ownership of walk back to the postmen and women mean, Is there a possibility of it being franchised . Who knows with this lot.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 05 May 2017, 16:24

Page 5, "4. OUR FUTURE"
"Ownership of a delivery route given back to the postman or woman".
So what does that mean, they can't move us off the route we've been on the last few years ?

Post by **wacko74** » 05 May 2017, 16:59

Lounge Lizard wrote:Page 5, "4. OUR FUTURE"
"Ownership of a delivery route given back to the postman or woman".
So what does that mean, they can't move us off the route we've been on the last few years ?

Apart from when ''operational needs'' deem it necessary i.e. any time at all!

Post by **woopesh** » 05 May 2017, 18:30

robsbelly wrote:Wot the hell is giving back ownership of walk back to the postmen and women mean, Is there a possibility of it being franchised . Who knows with this lot.

I thought once people retired, their walks became "free" for lapsing / absorbtion / to be done by reserves so there is no duty holder. I thought it was Moyas vision to have floating staff able to do any walk?

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 05 May 2017, 18:59

Lounge Lizard wrote:Page 5, "4. OUR FUTURE"
"Ownership of a delivery route given back to the postman or woman".
So what does that mean, they can't move us off the route we've been on the last few years ?

no it means your banded with say 3-4 other individuals and when they pull a sickie or go on holiday you your 3 mates have to cover there duty unpaid

Post by **britwrit** » 05 May 2017, 19:49

No I'm positive that it means that you and your mates will be able to give each other as much overtime as you think you need. 10, 20, 30 hours a week. The sky's the limit.

In fact, since you own the walk, you'll be able to sublet it out to some desperate casual, pay ' em £6 an hour, and pocket the rest.

Get ready to retire that mortgage. And - never mind the Brexit - start on that retirement villa in Spain. The era of the blank cheque has arrived.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 05 May 2017, 20:14

lightningpostman wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:Page 5, "4. OUR FUTURE"
"Ownership of a delivery route given back to the postman or woman".
So what does that mean, they can't move us off the route we've been on the last few years ?
no it means your banded with say 3-4 other individuals and when they pull a sickie or go on holiday you your 3 mates have to cover there duty unpaid

No, it states "Ownership of a delivery route [singular] given back to the postman or woman [singular]".

So will it be just like abroad, all pre-sorted, dropped off at our house, delivered in our own car with our own fuel and any sickness or holiday is our problem, not Royal Mails ?

number one · Post by **number one** » 05 May 2017, 20:58

Those at the top need to realise they are only in a job because of us at the bottom. Like Royal Mail keep telling us they are not owed a living.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 05 May 2017, 21:26

number one wrote:Those at the top need to realise they are only in a job because of us at the bottom. Like Royal Mail keep telling us they are not owed a living.

But those at the top are in control of the purse strings, and everything else.

datasaint · Post by **datasaint** » 05 May 2017, 21:28

It's all heading towards a strike. Far too many changes on the table, little to no incentive.

kingeric · Post by **kingeric** » 05 May 2017, 21:32

fishtank wrote:I don't think they've done themselves any favours with this thing, it's very poorly written and seems to be aimed at 5 year olds. A cash bribe will probably see the end of the legacy payments though, it always has in the past.

Very vague too.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 06 May 2017, 05:40

Lounge Lizard wrote:
lightningpostman wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:Page 5, "4. OUR FUTURE"
"Ownership of a delivery route given back to the postman or woman".
So what does that mean, they can't move us off the route we've been on the last few years ?
no it means your banded with say 3-4 other individuals and when they pull a sickie or go on holiday you your 3 mates have to cover there duty unpaid
So will it be just like abroad, all pre-sorted, dropped off at our house, delivered in our own car with our own fuel and any sickness or holiday is our problem, not Royal Mails ?

But it says "given back" - assuming a return to a previous situation - like when we worked 6 days a week?

LouBarlow · Post by **LouBarlow** » 06 May 2017, 16:52

I've only just gotten round to reading this but seriously even the most hardened union man has to think asking for a shorter working week AND a pay rise is utterly ridiculous and makes them look naive beyond belief? Do they know what they are doing?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 06 May 2017, 17:30

LouBarlow wrote:I've only just gotten round to reading this but seriously even the most hardened union man has to think asking for a shorter working week AND a pay rise is utterly ridiculous and makes them look naive beyond belief? Do they know what they are doing?

Yes in my opinion they do, no point in negotiating from a weakness. Especially with the current round have you seen what RM have put on the table, the Union have to counter that and giving up on a pay rise without a concession from the other side is a recipe for a rollover.

Basically, the pay rise has to be looked at as a part of the whole, not just a single issue all by itself. For once the CWU are playing hardball, good on them I say.