I haven't looked into Assads alleged use of chemical weapons enough to know wether there's a very good chance it could be a false flag or not. Would be mighty ironic if it were given Trumps stance on "fake news". Why would Assad do that when he has the conventional military might of the Russians behind him ?
Either way, the point isn't the the in's and outs of what makes a virtuous and non virtuous means of killing one another - the point was more to do with wether Tom Watsons position is, for an honourable man, tenable or not.
Tom Watson is coming over as the kind of bloke that wants all the limelight - but none of the responsibilty. Its a bit too easy to sit back and criticise when you aren't the one having to make the big decisions.
And if you don't have the self discipline to put your own ambition aside and defer to your superiors then you are in the wrong army. You see what I mean here don't you DVB - regardless of wether you are a Corbyn fan or not - you can't be having this kind of subordination in the ranks. I'm speaking to you here as one military man to another
The SAS had the opportunity to destroy the source of the chemical weapons in 2013 and Cameron vetoed the idea for fear of being embroiled in conflict. A soldier would follow a leader and obey orders but not necessarily all the time. The plan has to be a good one and should be open to change unfortunately for Corbyn his plan is firmly ensconced in the 70s and as such is not fit for purpose. As for making the big decisions without responsibility what exactly was the last big or any decision Corbyn has taken - 2 boiled eggs for breakfast or one?
jetblack wrote: but none of the responsibilty. Its a bit too easy to sit back and criticise when you aren't the one having to make the big decisions.
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I've clearly missed all Jezza's "big decisions".
Didn't he stop even trying to make any decisions after realising the true enormity of his error in appointing the truly appalling Abbott to his cabinet?
Saw an article in the paper today about Jezza visiting a firm who refurbishes rolling stock for the railways - he was reported as being shown round the on board disabled toilet, maybe it's a sign of the times. I must admit the photo didn't actually do him any favours, he looked more like he was loitering outside the toilets.
More importantly, we've had the problems growing in Syria and now N Korea, migrant problems in Calais again, bombs in Dortmund, etc etc and where's old Jezza?
Looks like the media have given him his wish, ie to be left alone.
(Even dear old jet and his side kick aren't here bowing to the new king every day, as they were up to recently. "Scales fallen from eyes..." and all that? )
Tman wrote:More importantly, we've had the problems growing in Syria and now N Korea, migrant problems in Calais again, bombs in Dortmund, etc etc and where's old Jezza?
Looks like the media have given him his wish, ie to be left alone.
(Even dear old jet and his side kick aren't here bowing to the new king every day, as they were up to recently. "Scales fallen from eyes..." and all that? )
Well tbh Tman by the time the election comes round I think he'll be looking like a porcupine from the back screeching "they've all got it infamy"
Well, he'll do something I never thought he would, and that's lead the labour party into the next election.
I'm sure I heard the old fraud's sigh of relief this morning when it was announced..."only another two months pain for me and then I can slip back into total obscurity and live out my remaining years studying Mao and saluting my Che Guevara poster every morning.."
Then there was Farron's cries of delight, given that the Libs overall vote will be artificially boosted immensely by the Remainers looking for any crumbs of comfort.
Yet another two months of political instability..
Tman wrote:Well, he'll do something I never thought he would, and that's lead the labour party into the next election.:
And that's as far as he'll go. As his sidekick said if he lost an election they would both resign - should get their letters ready now. At least it'll give labour 5 years to re-invent itself under a new and dynamic leader, as opposed to the sleepy pacifist we've had to endure. Of course, time to find that leader as well.
This is a disaster for the working classes, I'm not going to celebrate what will likely be a large Tory majority decimating the terms and conditions of workers and pushing the poor even further into destitution as well as isolating the country and breaking up the union but if this does happen the blame will lie squarely at the door of momentum and its pet project and no amount of harping back to Blair, Iraq and red Tories will shield them from the consequences.
The sad thing is if the idea was to reset Labour slightly to the left which wasn't such a bad plan the kicking they are about to receive will have exactly the opposite result. If anyone in the Labour party thinks this experiment will ever be repeated they should call the nurse and up the medication.
fishtank wrote:This is a disaster for the working classes, I'm not going to celebrate what will likely be a large Tory majority decimating the terms and conditions of workers and pushing the poor even further into destitution as well as isolating the country and breaking up the union but if this does happen the blame will lie squarely at the door of momentum and its pet project and no amount of harping back to Blair, Iraq and red Tories will shield them from the consequences.
The sad thing is if the idea was to reset Labour slightly to the left which wasn't such a bad plan the kicking they are about to receive will have exactly the opposite result. If anyone in the Labour party thinks this experiment will ever be repeated they should call the nurse and up the medication.
Surely the 2 big decisions in the last year have gone to the outsiders. Maybe the polls will get it wrong again!
baldrick wrote:I don't think the Tories are getting stronger. They only achieved 26% of the vote in the last General Election. They only have a small overall majority in Parliament. They are deeply divided over Brexit. Those divisions will become more evident as the Brexit negotiations and likely outcome become clearer.
May might win a snap General Election, and I think it is likely she might call one in May or June, but it is in no way certain.
My views still stand. The Tories are by no way certain to win the GE. Once the electorate realise that another Conservative Government will mean another 5 years of austerity, cuts, attacks on services and living standards they will have to dec ide whether that is what they want.
i don't believe the majority who will be affected will vote to continue that.
fishtank wrote:..will likely be a large Tory majority .....but if this does happen the blame will lie squarely at the door of momentum
Nope - it will lay here:-
dvbuk55 wrote:Yay good old Tess....I'll be voting Tory
None of us know what the outcome will be - and, going by recent history, bookies odds can be very misleading.
It'll be interesting to see the establishment media in full swing over the next few months - "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." [Cardinal Richelieu] - and they'll have Corbyn hung, drawn and quartered by June 8th.
I really hope people see beyond the propoganda and fear mongering this time.
I certainly think that there are a number of anomalies that could come in to play, where will the UKIP vote go? How will May perform in leaders debate (if she rocks up) How many voters will switch traditional positions as a result of Brexit?
If/when May is returned she's going to constantly refer to the mandate given to her by the people, when she negotiates a deal with Europe. And I don't think that deal will be anything like the kind of deal that would be acceptable to your average Brexiter. I'm not at all convinced by May's changed stance on Europe, her new standpoint is pragmatic rather than ideological, and this will be reflected in her version of a deal.
what exactly was the last big or any decision Corbyn has taken - 2 boiled eggs for breakfast or one?
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