Throwing up D2Ds in own time????

Smir · Post by **Smir** » 10 Apr 2017, 18:51

I'd understand If people started an hour early so they didn't have to stay later for an hour... depends how often it's happening and if they are working to time or finishing earlier

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 10 Apr 2017, 19:06

Clocking in machines are the answer , go home early and get paid only for official hours worked

Robertdeniro · Post by **Robertdeniro** » 10 Apr 2017, 19:14

This should be stopped, one day someone will have an accident when they shouldn't be there and the s**t will hit the fan

robbertwhitton · Post by **robbertwhitton** » 10 Apr 2017, 20:16

PHARRY wrote:It's best to throw in D2Ds in own time as it gets done quicker it saves wasting time when throwing in mail or you could take D2Ds home to do there

Is this for real??? Please tell me it's a wind up??? Have the lunatics finally taken over the asylum????? Beam me up Scottie!!

SierraOscarBravo · Post by **SierraOscarBravo** » 10 Apr 2017, 20:55

peshwaarinaan wrote:I was on a van share today and my co-worker said that they were coming in before their start time tomorrow to throw up some D2Ds. I said well you won't get paid in that case and he said, that's right, we don't get paid for throwing them up so we have to do it in our own time.

Someone please tell me this is not the case!!!!!!

Same story in my office. The usual idiots coming in early or staying behind after their shift to prep in door to door items. This week some of us have 6 or 7 lots but I am not going to work for free prepping in items that should be prepped during paid duty time.

Why oh why come in early putting your own health and safety at risk (You are not insured to be in the building before your start time) just so you can rush around like a lunatic and do more and more lapsing?

Why not just start at the correct time and do the job properly? If you did that there would be no scope to lapse duties as everyone would be working close to their paid hours.

Remember the managers at the top don't give a toss whether you come in early to work for free but if they see you are regularly making time by going home early then you are simply giving them the green light to cut more hours and lapse more duties.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 Apr 2017, 21:00

SierraOscarBravo wrote: You are not insured to be in the building before your start time

Why not just start at the correct time and do the job properly? If you did that there would be no scope to lapse duties as everyone would be working close to their paid hours.

1. Where does it say you are not insured to be in the building?
If I arrive at work 20 minutes early because that is the only public transport available to get me to work on time, do I have to stand outside until my start time?

2. I start at the correct time and do the job properly. Today I finished over an hour early. I wasn't the only one. How is there no scope to lapse duties?

SierraOscarBravo · Post by **SierraOscarBravo** » 10 Apr 2017, 21:30

clashcityrocker wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote: You are not insured to be in the building before your start time

Why not just start at the correct time and do the job properly? If you did that there would be no scope to lapse duties as everyone would be working close to their paid hours.
1. Where does it say you are not insured to be in the building?
If I arrive at work 20 minutes early because that is the only public transport available to get me to work on time, do I have to stand outside until my start time?

2. I start at the correct time and do the job properly. Today I finished over an hour early. I wasn't the only one. How is there no scope to lapse duties?

If you are due to commence your shift at 7am then come in at 7am. Simple. If there is a fire in the building at 6.15am or you fall and break your leg at 6.30am then there will be no official record of you being in the building and then you really do open up a can of worms regarding liability.

Lapsing is an extremely poor and inefficient method of saving money. In my office it is the lapsed walks where customer complaints are among the highest. Complaints cost the business a fortune. Door to doors are frequently missed or prepped in the following week due to managers not doing quality control checks. These customers pay to have their door to door items delivered in a specified week. Add on top of that the packets and mail that gets left till the next day or put out on overtime. The savings from lapsing soon evaporate.

There are times when we do finish early but we should still be filling all of our contract hours. That applies to managers and employees alike.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 10 Apr 2017, 21:49

SierraOscarBravo wrote:

If you are due to commence your shift at 7am then come in at 7am. Simple. If there is a fire in the building at 6.15am or you fall and break your leg at 6.30am then there will be no official record of you being in the building and then you really do open up a can of worms regarding liability.

If I arrive at 6.40 I sign in at 6.40.
How is there no official record?
Where can I find all this information about liability?

visigoth · Post by **visigoth** » 10 Apr 2017, 22:37

clashcityrocker wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote: You are not insured to be in the building before your start time

Why not just start at the correct time and do the job properly? If you did that there would be no scope to lapse duties as everyone would be working close to their paid hours.
1. Where does it say you are not insured to be in the building?
If I arrive at work 20 minutes early because that is the only public transport available to get me to work on time, do I have to stand outside until my start time?

2. I start at the correct time and do the job properly. Today I finished over an hour early. I wasn't the only one. How is there no scope to lapse duties?

"Employers’ liability insurance covers the cost of compensating employees who are injured at or become ill through work ... If you are an employee and you have suffered an injury at work or become ill as a result of your job, you should speak to your employer who will contact their insurer about making a claim."

I'd imagine that insurance companies who wouldn't try to wriggle out of paying out on a technicality are few & far between?

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 11 Apr 2017, 06:06

TheTrolleyMan wrote:Clocking in machines are the answer , go home early and get paid only for official hours worked

sooner the better ,

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 11 Apr 2017, 06:11

I'm sat home now , my shift starts in an hour but there'll be blokes at my office now who've already done 1 hour of charity / free work

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 11 Apr 2017, 12:06

clashcityrocker wrote:
SierraOscarBravo wrote:

If you are due to commence your shift at 7am then come in at 7am. Simple. If there is a fire in the building at 6.15am or you fall and break your leg at 6.30am then there will be no official record of you being in the building and then you really do open up a can of worms regarding liability.

If I arrive at 6.40 I sign in at 6.40.
How is there no official record?
Where can I find all this information about liability?

It's a common misconception that early starters are not covered but they are.

Carrying out an employer's business'
In order for an employer to be considered vicariously liable for a work accident compensation claim, the negligent employee must have been carrying out employer's business at the time the work injury was sustained.Taking precedents set in vicarious liability work accident compensation cases that have gone to the UK's higher courts, it would seem that vicarious liability is established in cases where a negligent employee is at work'. This rule generally applies to all work accident compensation claims, even if the negligent employee is carrying out work in a manner which has been expressly forbidden by the employer.

But even then it's not completely cut and dried. If an early starter fell down a hole that wasn't clearly marked then will be able to claim negligence from the employer, but if he injured himself digging the hole, without direct instructions to do so by a manager, because that work is outside his normal employment they would NOT be covered. It's all down to the context of the injury, and the work they are doing, not if they are starting early.

DiamondSmiles · Post by **DiamondSmiles** » 11 Apr 2017, 13:53

Royal Mail should not let anybody enter the building before their start time. What if somebody has a major accident or the building went up in flames with people trapped in it. The DOM would end up in jail.

ScousePostie · Post by **ScousePostie** » 11 Apr 2017, 14:16

No lapsing in our office today. We've had a number of posties come back off sick today so we're now overstaffed, believe it or not.

Post by **CPTNemoUK** » 11 Apr 2017, 19:59

ScousePostie wrote:No lapsing in our office today. We've had a number of posties come back off sick today so we're now overstaffed, believe it or not.

When that happens in my office they still laps and have spare bodies. One time i was spare i moped up the lapsing that was left which was about 2 rows. I was home by 11.30