Office resign

[cpsteve]

Office resign has started in our office, management have picked what jobs to go part time. Meaning some senior men cant sign for them,one lad with 20 years service job made pt lost it to someone with 8 years service. Don't seem fair to me

The senior man gets more holiday more money better pension is that fair.

[Judgee]

Office resign has started in our office, management have picked what jobs to go part time. Meaning some senior men cant sign for them,one lad with 20 years service job made pt lost it to someone with 8 years service. Don't seem fair to me

The senior man gets more holiday more money better pension is that fair.

Yes (except the better pension). The senior men/women have had to put up with all the bs for longer and over time those people below them will also get more holiday and money, once they have put in the time too! We all started at the bottom and waited our turn why is it all of a sudden unfair to new people. The guy in the example started out new 20 years ago and guess what, he got less holiday and pay than the people that had been there longer!

[Postmanjack]

Just a quick question has the resign got to be voted in by members or is it a management thing

[cpsteve]

Office resign has started in our office, management have picked what jobs to go part time. Meaning some senior men cant sign for them,one lad with 20 years service job made pt lost it to someone with 8 years service. Don't seem fair to me

The senior man gets more holiday more money better pension is that fair.

Yes (except the better pension). The senior men/women have had to put up with all the bs for longer and over time those people below them will also get more holiday and money, once they have put in the time too! We all started at the bottom and waited our turn why is it all of a sudden unfair to new people. The guy in the example started out new 20 years ago and guess what, he got less holiday and pay than the people that had been there longer!

Must have been hard putting up with the b/s of early finishes every day.

[Judgee]

Office resign has started in our office, management have picked what jobs to go part time. Meaning some senior men cant sign for them,one lad with 20 years service job made pt lost it to someone with 8 years service. Don't seem fair to me

The senior man gets more holiday more money better pension is that fair.

Yes (except the better pension). The senior men/women have had to put up with all the bs for longer and over time those people below them will also get more holiday and money, once they have put in the time too! We all started at the bottom and waited our turn why is it all of a sudden unfair to new people. The guy in the example started out new 20 years ago and guess what, he got less holiday and pay than the people that had been there longer!

Must have been hard putting up with the b/s of early finishes every day.

Not if you were a noobie, which is my point exactly! But you poor noobies today have it sooooo hard today. Walk sorted frames, mech sorted mail, partners to help you round and shared vans! The only thing that has gotten easier in RM, is being a reserve!

[kingeric]

Office resign has started in our office, management have picked what jobs to go part time. Meaning some senior men cant sign for them,one lad with 20 years service job made pt lost it to someone with 8 years service. Don't seem fair to me

The senior man gets more holiday more money better pension is that fair.

Yes (except the better pension). The senior men/women have had to put up with all the bs for longer and over time those people below them will also get more holiday and money, once they have put in the time too! We all started at the bottom and waited our turn why is it all of a sudden unfair to new people. The guy in the example started out new 20 years ago and guess what, he got less holiday and pay than the people that had been there longer!

Must have been hard putting up with the b/s of early finishes every day.

Not if you were a noobie, which is my point exactly! But you poor noobies today have it sooooo hard today. Walk sorted frames, mech sorted mail, partners to help you round and shared vans! The only thing that has gotten easier in RM, is being a reserve!

That's complete nonsense.

I was new to the job in 2000 and I did have late finishes some days. Some days I had to work till 11am!

That was as late as it got. When I went full time my latest finish was about 1230 after I finished my 2nd delivery of 10 letters on my bike on the way home.

Now new guys can be out till 4/5pm and then get home in rush hour traffic if they drive. So let's not kid ourselves or others that we had it hard years ago.

[Judgee]

So you had it easy Kingeric and I am happy for you. You didn't work in my office did you? Yes there were early finishes on occasions but not every day and guess what, not everyone works to their time every day now!

The only difference between noobies now and noobies then are as mentioned above. Don't think because you had an easy ride when you started that we all did!

[kingeric]

So you had it easy Kingeric and I am happy for you. You didn't work in my office did you? Yes there were early finishes on occasions but not every day and guess what, not everyone works to their time every day now!

The only difference between noobies now and noobies then are as mentioned above. Don't think because you had an easy ride when you started that we all did!

Nobody was working past 11am 20 years ago.

If I remember correctly pt duties were 6-10 In my office and most days everyone was finished by 9ish.

Code sort makes it much easier throwing off. But the walks were much much shorter and packets were virtually non existent 20 years ago.

[Judgee]

So you had it easy Kingeric and I am happy for you. You didn't work in my office did you? Yes there were early finishes on occasions but not every day and guess what, not everyone works to their time every day now!

The only difference between noobies now and noobies then are as mentioned above. Don't think because you had an easy ride when you started that we all did!

Nobody was working past 11am 20 years ago.

If I remember correctly pt duties were 6-10 In my office and most days everyone was finished by 9ish.

Code sort makes it much easier throwing off. But the walks were much much shorter and packets were virtually non existent 20 years ago.

You have got to be shitting me!

I was put on every s**t walk in the office some weeks a different one daily. Packets are higher now but lots of mail is already sorted for you. Your duties were pt 6-10 and what? Was talking about reserves not pt hours? I regularly worked to my time and over because you were left to get on with it with zero help and no partner to guide you, manually sorted everything, etc. I don't know what office you were in but do not think for one minute that reserves in other offices failed to suffer. I can only assume you worked in some out-of-the way backwoods village because round here we still had to work for a living.

It's swings-and-roundabouts and somethings have improved, some gotten worse. Reserves have always suffered (accept in your office it would seem). I did my time, so have many others but being a reserve is certainly no worse than before. If your reserves are working later then maybe that has more to do with the fact that their starting time is much later. Perhaps you should just count yourself lucky that you had it so easy, many didn't!

[Villadaft]

Trust me I was working past 11 20 years ago, granted not as many packets etc but we were still out on 2nd Delys etc, also had to start earlier at 5 and 6 days a week when I started.

[kingeric]

So you had it easy Kingeric and I am happy for you. You didn't work in my office did you? Yes there were early finishes on occasions but not every day and guess what, not everyone works to their time every day now!

The only difference between noobies now and noobies then are as mentioned above. Don't think because you had an easy ride when you started that we all did!

Nobody was working past 11am 20 years ago.

If I remember correctly pt duties were 6-10 In my office and most days everyone was finished by 9ish.

Code sort makes it much easier throwing off. But the walks were much much shorter and packets were virtually non existent 20 years ago.

You have got to be shitting me!

I was put on every s**t walk in the office some weeks a different one daily. Packets are higher now but lots of mail is already sorted for you. Your duties were pt 6-10 and what? Was talking about reserves not pt hours? I regularly worked to my time and over because you were left to get on with it with zero help and no partner to guide you, manually sorted everything, etc. I don't know what office you were in but do not think for one minute that reserves in other offices failed to suffer. I can only assume you worked in some out-of-the way backwoods village because round here we still had to work for a living.

It's swings-and-roundabouts and somethings have improved, some gotten worse. Reserves have always suffered (accept in your office it would seem). I did my time, so have many others but being a reserve is certainly no worse than before. If your reserves are working later then maybe that has more to do with the fact that their starting time is much later. Perhaps you should just count yourself lucky that you had it so easy, many didn't!

Far from a backwards village. I work in one of the biggest cities in the UK.

Reserves did have a s**t time of it compared to others. But it was nothing compared to what reserves put up with nowadays in my opinion.

I was never sent to other offices regularly like they are now.
A 'late' finish wasn't late at all really. You may think working over your hours was s**t and you was hard done by. But we got home to see our kids growing up. There's guys now who are bullied into completing for fear of losing jobs and will work till 5pm then have to get home in rush hour and barely see their kids. The wait for full time wasn't very long then either. There's guys working here 7 years in my office and still waiting for a full time position despite plenty of full timers leaving in that time.

When I started everyone used to help each other. The workforce is dog eat dog now. You only need to look at the thread where ag's are camping outside a managers office for full time.

You may think it was such a hard life back then like a lot try and kid but I bet if the majority of the forum was honest they'd say we all had it much easier years ago. Unless you work in a backward village!

[citypostie]

To be fair the good old days thread says it all! Ive only done 23 years and the job has changed so much and not for the better. I used to easily make a couple of hours a day and regularly be home by 12 and on pay till about 4. Half a delivery on overtime was about an hour if you was unlucky. If i started in this job now i wouldnt be staying whereas im still about 20th on our seniority list out of about 80, think that says alot about what the job has been like in the past

[Dorset Plodder]

We're not doing ourselves any favours arguing over how easy it used to be (or not in some cases). We've all heard the stories, and know who we can believe. To all the "Old & Bold" I'd simply say: Do you think they'll be any of the Posties starting now still doing the job in 20..25..30 years time?

IMPO those "Old School Years" were racked up fairly easily compared to today. The added advantage is it puts those with Seniority in a more advantageous position when it comes to protecting themselves against the current working practices of Royal Mail. I'll put another question to those that query that: How many of you know any Senior Guys in their Office that haven't got themselves a Well Sorted Duty, not many of them getting pissed about on a daily basis and swapping around left, right & centre I bet?

Once more I hear the cry "But they've earned that with all their years service"! And so the argument turns full circle again.

[Judgee]

Ok I am completely convinced. All the new people should go on the best walks and all the long termers be put on the crap walks and made reserves as the new people have had it soooo hard!