FT hours to drop to 35hrs per week?

[steve1873]

Part timers screwed over again...

Can't imagine many part-time staff wanting to work less hours so I'm not really sure what you mean by screwed over.

Well, full timers getting the equivalent of 39 hours wages, for 35 hours work, but unless overtime is available for the part timers, they will still get e.g. 30 hours pay, for 30 hours work.

That isn't how it works.

It will work as such, say we are paid £11 flat per hour at present. For a 39 hour contract this equates to £429 (gross) per week.

Now dropping the hours from 39 to 35 would see that hourly rate increase from £11 to £12.26.

Therefore the 30 worker who previously earned £330 per week will now earn £367.80 per week.

*Just to clarify those figures were plucked out of thin air and don't take in to account any supplements etc.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I'm almost certain that P/T staff have a very slightly higher rate to compensate for the 1hr reduction in the working week for F/T staff given in a previous wage deal

No they have the same rate.

FT went from 40 hours a week to 39 hours with no loss of pay. This means they got a pay increase of 2.5% per hour worked.

PT hours did not change, but they got the 2.5% increase.



Therefore the pay parity continues. FT got a 2.5% increase but work 2.5% less hours cancelling each other out. PT got a flat increase of 2.5%.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Part timers screwed over again...

Can't imagine many part-time staff wanting to work less hours so I'm not really sure what you mean by screwed over.

Well, full timers getting the equivalent of 39 hours wages, for 35 hours work, but unless overtime is available for the part timers, they will still get e.g. 30 hours pay, for 30 hours work.

But for each hour dropped by the FTs (with no loss of pay) would mean a rough increase of 2.5% per hour worked for the PTimers.

So a FT would drop to 35 hours with no loss of pay.

PT would have a rough increase of 10% ( 4 hours x 2.5%)

[greengiant]

Part timers screwed over again...

Can't imagine many part-time staff wanting to work less hours so I'm not really sure what you mean by screwed over.

Well, full timers getting the equivalent of 39 hours wages, for 35 hours work, but unless overtime is available for the part timers, they will still get e.g. 30 hours pay, for 30 hours work.

That isn't how it works.

It will work as such, say we are paid £11 flat per hour at present. For a 39 hour contract this equates to £429 (gross) per week.

Now dropping the hours from 39 to 35 would see that hourly rate increase from £11 to £12.26.

Therefore the 30 worker who previously earned £330 per week will now earn £367.80 per week.

*Just to clarify those figures were plucked out of thin air and don't take in to account any supplements etc.

Oh, I understand it now. Seems a better deal all round then.

[mickeymacca]

...... so all those hourly rate increases would need to be calculated on a pro-rata basis

What?
There is one hourly rate for everybody.

I currently work 39 hours. For simplicity let's say I currently earn £10/hour = £390/week
If I move to a 35 hour week my hourly rate will be 390/35 = £11.14/hr

If you are on 30 hours you will earn 30 x 11.14
If you are on 20 hours you will earn 20 x 11.14
If you are on 6 hours you will earn 6 x 11.14.

Why is this so complicated?

Exactly... The hourly rate is the same for all. Part timers are not any "better off" than full timers . It is true pay would increase for part timers but full timers working less hours for same pay means parity for both.

I'm almost certain that P/T staff have a very slightly higher rate to compensate for the 1hr reduction in the working week for F/T staff given in a previous wage deal

No they don't, the same applied as the the example given above. If you are refering to increased hourly rates for part timers doing overtime, to compensate for the the pro rata payment of the delivery supplement, then that is why there rate may appear different for the the extra hours that they do in addition to there contracted hours up to 39 hours ( bringing them into line with the delivery supplement paid to Full timers).

[hampshireman]

Two points.

It would be a reduction in gross hours, so it wouldn't mean the removal of paid breaks.

It would be phased in over 3-4 years giving the business the chance to reshape its resourcing model.

A possible third point and this is just a personal view but I can't see royal mail going for it without some form of banking/annualised hours in return.

My view as well.

RM are desperate to get annualised hours in.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Or monthly pay. They are imposing it on Post Office colleagues right now http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 19&t=78004" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[A2B]

I'm almost certain that P/T staff have a very slightly higher rate to compensate for the 1hr reduction in the working week for F/T staff given in a previous wage deal

No they don't, the same applied as the the example given above. If you are refering to increased hourly rates for part timers doing overtime, to compensate for the the pro rata payment of the delivery supplement, then that is why there rate may appear different for the the extra hours that they do in addition to there contracted hours up to 39 hours ( bringing them into line with the delivery supplement paid to Full timers).

Ah that must be it, cheers

[mickeymacca]

No probs buddy

[Martin Walsh]

To confirm a few things

Paid meal reliefs will remain

The drive to 35 will be over 3 to 4 years

Part timers will not reduce their hours but will get a pay rise as the hourly rate will increase.

The reason why we need a reduction in the working week is automation , improvements in machines read capacity and throughput, the introduction of the TOPs 2000 buddying system which means flats can by pass IPS , parcel machines , the new CELLs machine which is in Exeter which removes virtually all the IPS and there are another 11 ordered.

The reality is that automation will remove indoor work and if we do reduce the working week the out door span will have to increase massively especially as Royal Mail want to use all the technology to ensure that everyone works the hours they are contracted too even if that means you have to roll hours to an heavier day.

The Shorter Working Week is crucial to safeguarding jobs and preventing longer and longer spans

[steve1873]

To confirm a few things

Paid meal reliefs will remain

The drive to 35 will be over 3 to 4 years

Part timers will not reduce their hours but will get a pay rise as the hourly rate will increase.

The reason why we need a reduction in the working week is automation , improvements in machines read capacity and throughput, the introduction of the TOPs 2000 buddying system which means flats can by pass IPS , parcel machines , the new CELLs machine which is in Exeter which removes virtually all the IPS and there are another 11 ordered.

The reality is that automation will remove indoor work and if we do reduce the working week the out door span will have to increase massively especially as Royal Mail want to use all the technology to ensure that everyone works the hours they are contracted too even if that means you have to roll hours to an heavier day.

The Shorter Working Week is crucial to safeguarding jobs and preventing longer and longer spans

That bit is utterly terrifying, given the toll of 4.5 hour spans are taking on the body (I am 35 years old and there is no danger I am going to be capable of doing this job for another 30 years).

As far as the rolling hours onto heavier days - the CWU better be prepared to oppose that as strongly as possible!

[rambo1]

The main one would be a pay rise without them having to put in much money, they would probably have to pay out more overtime but i'd imagine it would be cheaper than giving a pay rise to every employee.

You'd still get people coming in early so they could complete and finish early

No pension contributions for the company to make on overtime hrs. MAJOR headache for company if every full timer says, 35 hrs, thank you very much, that's all I'm working from now on. Imagine the cut offs.......!!!

[postslippete]

To confirm a few things

Paid meal reliefs will remain

The drive to 35 will be over 3 to 4 years

Part timers will not reduce their hours but will get a pay rise as the hourly rate will increase.

The reason why we need a reduction in the working week is automation , improvements in machines read capacity and throughput, the introduction of the TOPs 2000 buddying system which means flats can by pass IPS , parcel machines , the new CELLs machine which is in Exeter which removes virtually all the IPS and there are another 11 ordered.

The reality is that automation will remove indoor work and if we do reduce the working week the out door span will have to increase massively especially as Royal Mail want to use all the technology to ensure that everyone works the hours they are contracted too even if that means you have to roll hours to an heavier day.

The Shorter Working Week is crucial to safeguarding jobs and preventing longer and longer spans

Never mind safeguarding jobs, a longer outdoor delivery span is more likely to force more postie's out of a f**cking job. You can dress up the outdoor hours any way you wish, but all I can see automation doing is forcing us all to start later, just like we are all sat there waiting for our second wave of mech and often it doesn't arrive or turns up late, it has many, many problems. If the company wants to automate everything then we might as well wave goodbye to the USO.

I'm also very reluctant to change my working hours yet again. The union quickly agreed to longs and shorts because it offers royal mail big savings in flexibility.

And as a side note wont the company make huge savings with their plans for a change in the pensions anyway??

We all know that the job is going tits up fast, but everything that I have heard about a 35 hour working week is negative and for me I would much rather have a 39 hour week with more indoor time. There are other areas where the business can save money, it shouldn't always be about bigger and bigger rounds for worn out postie's...

[elteleltel]

I worked 5 hrs outside today , another hr and would have been really knackared . The 3 flights of stairs in the flats I deliver too seem steeper every yr