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billypants
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Re: Scab Definition

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mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
whether you agree or not about a non-union man being a scab is , frankly, irrelevant. . . . . he has just quoted the definition of "scab" as in the english dictionary . . . or do you want to argue with that too :crazy:
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CupidStunt
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Post by CupidStunt »

Albethere wrote:How disappointing!!!!! (to put it politely)

They accepted the principle of 7hrs on a Tuesday, then 9 hours on a Friday, etc etc etc, so effectively your overtime earning potential is GOOSED!

I am only a part-timer, but can see from this that we will ALL be worse off in the end.

Will be voting NO in the ballot.

Correct !! just lost sundays,later start times enforced so losing 3 hours a week on bookthrus and then they want workshare in summer !! Overtime is the only way to boost your pay to a decent wage and they are trying to abolish it !! :Sick
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Re: Scab Definition

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billypants wrote:
mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
whether you agree or not about a non-union man being a scab is , frankly, irrelevant. . . . . he has just quoted the definition of "scab" as in the english dictionary . . . or do you want to argue with that too :crazy:
oh yes, praise the english dictionary, that is the way everything should be and is never wrong. ill believe what i want to, thanks.
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Re: Scab Definition

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mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
Here you are mate. This goes right back to the original meaning of the word as used in the 1800s.:

http://www.answers.com/strike breakers&r=67


scab (skăb)
n.
A crust discharged from and covering a healing wound.
Scabies or mange in domestic animals or livestock, especially sheep.

Any of various plant diseases caused by fungi or bacteria and resulting in crustlike spots on fruit, leaves, or roots.
The spots caused by such a disease.
Slang. A person regarded as contemptible.

A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
A person hired to replace a striking worker.

intr.v., scabbed, scab·bing, strike breakers.
To become covered with strike breakers or a scab.
To work or take a job as a scab.
[Middle English, from Old Norse skabb.]
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!

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Re: Scab Definition

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mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
A scab is a worker that helps to heal over a problem (ie industrial action) !
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Post by billypants »

That's it I'm getting a transfer to Liverpool . . . . . with all these local agreements due to be arranged it's only the offices full of strong union members, that are willing to do what's necessary to be heard, that will get a decent deal . . . . so all those that walked out can be pleased that it will have acheaved something important :Applause
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Re: Scab Definition

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South East Postie wrote:
billypants wrote:
mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
whether you agree or not about a non-union man being a scab is , frankly, irrelevant. . . . . he has just quoted the definition of "scab" as in the english dictionary . . . or do you want to argue with that too :crazy:
oh yes, praise the english dictionary, that is the way everything should be and is never wrong. ill believe what i want to, thanks.
bloody hell man. . . . . you're argueing with the dictionary now . . . . . you're either real mad about this deal and picking fights allround (perfectly understandable) or you're just loosing the plot :crazy:
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Re: eh??

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chayoliver wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:
jungle boogie wrote:SORRY IF THIS PISSES PEOPLE OFF! ive just read the entire statement and wasnt exactly overwhelmed to say the least but i think its a reasonable offer and should be accepted,i understand all the 'to be agreed locally' is bollocks but the pay offer is better than the firemen and the nurses got and they save lives,im not undermining our jobs because i know first hand how much the job has changed just in the last few months so i think we should pull together and understand the need for change or we are going to get shafted with everything.the strikes have achieved alot of things,i think the pros outweigh the cons so lets all stop ranting and just get on with our easyish jobs earn a decent pay and enjoy life!!
No thanks. :so there
You couldn't make this up could you, where do these people come from, people like this obviously gladly pull out a white flag for fun :arrrghhh
Yes mate, couldn't agree more. I'd die of shame if I uttered such bollox. How anyone can so readily accept to live their lives on their knees, is frankly,
beyond me. :confused
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Re: Scab Definition

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billypants wrote:
South East Postie wrote:
billypants wrote:
mailjock wrote:Personally I can't agree that a person who doesn't join a union in a workplace should be termed a scab. Every has the legal right not to join a union and closed-shops will never return. I actually happen to believe that it is a human right to be able to make the choice of whether to join a union or not.

And Btw I have known many non-union members respect picket lines and not cross them so how can they possibly be described as strike breakers.

strike breakers to me are union members who cross official picket lines where a democratic strike decision has been reached or non-union members who are hired to strike break.
whether you agree or not about a non-union man being a scab is , frankly, irrelevant. . . . . he has just quoted the definition of "scab" as in the english dictionary . . . or do you want to argue with that too :crazy:
oh yes, praise the english dictionary, that is the way everything should be and is never wrong. ill believe what i want to, thanks.
bloody hell man. . . . . you're argueing with the dictionary now . . . . . you're either real mad about this deal and picking fights allround (perfectly understandable) or you're just loosing the plot :crazy:
a bit of both. im FUMING about this so called "deal"
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Post by PostfromNotts »

Does anybody else think that the PEC were all pissed up when they accepted this? :cry
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Post by jinglejangle »

COME ON LADS WE ALL NEED TO INFORM OUR COLLEAGUES WHAT A s**t DEAL THIS IS TO ENSURE IT IS A NO VOTE.EACH WORKER MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXPLAINING THIS TO NEW STARTERS, THE TIMID ETC TO ENSURE IT IS A NO NO NO VOTE.

IT IS UP TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US TO DO OUR BIT IN WORK. :lfo
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Re: eh??

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billypants wrote:
jungle boogie wrote:SORRY IF THIS PISSES PEOPLE OFF! ive just read the entire statement and wasnt exactly overwhelmed to say the least but i think its a reasonable offer and should be accepted,i understand all the 'to be agreed locally' is bollocks but the pay offer is better than the firemen and the nurses got and they save lives,im not undermining our jobs because i know first hand how much the job has changed just in the last few months so i think we should pull together and understand the need for change or we are going to get shafted with everything.the strikes have achieved alot of things,i think the pros outweigh the cons so lets all stop ranting and just get on with our easyish jobs earn a decent pay and enjoy life!!
We've only got a reasonable offer on paper . . . . don't forget that a good chunk of this money is from ESOS, money that they already owe us . . . . . so that's giving us a rise with our own money . . . . . nice trick :shock:
and 5% over 6 months is surely the same as 2.5% over 12!
can't wait to see how they sell us the D2ds
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Post by PostfromNotts »

I think they think all of us "UNSKILLED" workers are complete thickos