Done deal

catch · Post by **catch** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:22

Mass meetings, show of hands, take the vote out of the execs control entirely.

dongash · Post by **dongash** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:23

if it's shite we vote NO for it and get someone to lead OUR union who isn't in the governments pocket!!!!!!

banner · Post by **banner** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:25

Remember the defensive position. No agreement or sell out by the union will change our right to do our job properly.
If we do our jobs following correct procedures then even though we're done for, at least those greedy people's vision to pass on the cost of providing a public service onto our backs, will be scuppered.

I have been doing the job properly since after the strikes and have found I have work for practically all my hours.
Those who are still insistent on cutting corners, be prepared to be well and truly shafted.

We still have employment law on our side..
You cannot be made to walk for more than 3.5 hours a day.
You cannot be made to carry more than the bag weights agreed.
You cannot be made to do over your time.

Don't be so worried about the agreement. No matter what, it cannot contravene these issues.

lovejoy · Post by **lovejoy** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:27

chromium05 wrote:Anyone have solid info on WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COUNTING THE VOTES?

We don't want an American "BUSH STYLE" vote fraud thing....

The Union pay POLARIS an independent scutinizer to count the votes. They normally have postal workers up there to see that everything is ok. Couple of people from my branch have sat it on NEC counts etc. Get your names up to the Organising department guys / girls

Guyzongo · Post by **Guyzongo** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:36

If it is a good deal for us we`d have been told already! Does anyone know if the law stops us doing more than a 3.5 hour walk?

jafferpants · Post by **jafferpants** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:43

dongash wrote:if it's shite we vote NO for it and get someone to lead OUR union who isn't in the governments pocket!!!!!!

You guys are about to see what i predicted when they first called off the action THE SICILIAN BALLOTT an offer you cant refuse. how do i know, it's called experience (39) years worth

ronaldo · Post by **ronaldo** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:43

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:It looks like the membership of the CWU will have to take on our own leadership as well as RM 'management'. Billy Boy will recommend the deal, we'll get bombarded with letters from him and Wardy telling us how great it is, we'll get letters from Stan and Ollie telling us how great the deal is, and we'll have walls full of propaganda posters and Work Time Lying to cope with. The only, and probably the best, thing we can do is let our workmates know how crap things will really be if we don't vote it out. It looks like a sell-out, but is anyone really surprised by that? I'm not.

WHAT IS THE DEAL THEN.HAVENT READ ANYTHING AS YET BUT SEEMS BY YOUR COMMENTS YOU HAVE THEM ALL.PLEASE SHARE

hibernian · Post by **hibernian** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:44

Fu@k,
i'm gutted .

How could they after all they have said and asked us to do .

We have lost pay over this ,we even put our jobs on the line with UIA .
.
THEN THEY GO AND RATIFY A DEAL THEY SAID WAS UNACCEPTABLE UP UNTILL LAST FRIDAY .

I tell you what my office have been shafted by managment many times befor but we did not expect to get the BIGGEST KICK IN THE BALLS BY THE UNION.

I for one will be voting NO AND I WILL BE ASKING MY WORK MATES TO DO THE SAME (I AM NOT A REP),if this is accepted then i for 1 will be leaving the union .

f***ing gutted,
i am gutted .

HIBERNIAN

larsson1971 · Post by **larsson1971** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:47

ITs a straight NO . thats for sure :lfo :cfo

Fluke · Post by **Fluke** » 22 Oct 2007, 15:55

hibernian wrote:Fu@k,
i'm gutted .

How could they after all they have said and asked us to do .

We have lost pay over this ,we even put our jobs on the line with UIA .
.
THEN THEY GO AND RATIFY A DEAL THEY SAID WAS UNACCEPTABLE UP UNTILL LAST FRIDAY .

I tell you what my office have been shafted by managment many times befor but we did not expect to get the BIGGEST KICK IN THE BALLS BY THE UNION.

I for one will be voting NO AND I WILL BE ASKING MY WORK MATES TO DO THE SAME (I AM NOT A REP),if this is accepted then i for 1 will be leaving the union .

f***ing gutted,
i am gutted .

HIBERNIAN

Well Said.

Post by **arsenalbob** » 22 Oct 2007, 16:17

if it's shite i'm voting no, if it's good i'm voting yes. how come you lot know what it is already, i don't. can only assume you're reading too much into the rejected agreement before amendments

penfold · Post by **penfold** » 22 Oct 2007, 16:29

sounds very much like way forward part3.I wonder how many times we will vote this time before they get this in.

Post by **disheartened** » 22 Oct 2007, 16:53

I think i shall do the fairest thing and reserve judgement until i've seen the deal,lots of bits and pieces been banded about the various forums and them bits have a tendancy to get mixed up slightly in cyber space,,,,,,the deal has'nt been posted on the union web site yet or on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????

phantomshare · Post by **phantomshare** » 22 Oct 2007, 17:07

Let's wait to see what the deal is, before deciding to reject it.

tcblue · Post by **tcblue** » 22 Oct 2007, 17:08

yes not long to wait now ????????????????????????????????????