CWU support of Jeremy Corbyn

[jetblack]

Anyone remember Russell Brand in the run up to the last election telling people not to vote because in voting you would be complicit in the fraud/the con that was being perpetrated upon us that we actually have a choice ??
He had a point.
Of course, he changed his mind at the last minute when Ed Miliband went round his flat and went down on bended knee

But still, it shows where we were at not very long back in time.

Technology has (and will) also played a big part in the change IMO (on top of the clear breakdown in 2008 of free market capitalism). - it's not to be underestimated when people are able to source their information, and thus base their views, on trusted/transparent/verifiable sources.

Never been able to do that before in the history of mankind with quite the ease and felicity that we can today

I'd say we were living in a bubble much more 10 or 20 years ago than we are today - and the bubble wasn't of our own making either.

[dvbuk55]

Of course, he changed his mind at the last minute when Ed Miliband went round his flat and went down on bended knee

Was it only one knee, jet.

It's not just Corbyn of course, Ed Miliband, Owen Smith nor any labour leader I can think of available to lead the party right now would win an election and it isn't just policy, it's the fact that they simply have not or cannot persuade the voting labour supporters of their ability to lead a government and in Jezzas case a labour party. I saw a picture of Corbyn in the paper today and have seen him previously on TV surrounded by women, what's that all about, he's not a Shirley Bassey fan is he?

[k979aaa]

I could go into great detail about why the "winds of change" are no more than a contrived attempt at inventing an appetite for political change but really all you have to do is look around and smell the coffee. Look where.we are politically compared to 5 years ago, look at who is controlling the debate, look at who makes the decisions and listen to those outside your own bubble.

Where we are compared to 5 years ago is that people now have a real alternative. 5 years ago there was little difference between the 3 main parliamentary parties. That's why many people didn't bother voting.
But now, not just in the UK, but in Europe, the USA, and across the world, people are increasingly feeling the consequences of neo-liberal economic theories, globalisation and austerity, and supporting alternatives.
That's why we have seen the rise of parties like Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain, the SNP in Scotland, and the popularity of Bernie Sanders in the USA - who would have thought that an avowed socialist could do so well in the heart of free market capitalism.
Social Democratic parties which have embraced neo-liberal monetarist policies have lost support across Europe. That is what has happened with Labour here too over the last couple of decades.
It is not Corbyn himself, but what he represents that has enthused people to support him, turning out to hear him, and joining the Labour Party. That feeling can transform electoral politics too.

Seconded as this is my take on this it is called collectivism as we are all part of a society which has been for the most part torn a part by capitalism for the gain of the few by the few this need's addressing. In which the few should help the good and many of the people for the gain for all who work or are a productive member of the society in which they serve nothing less is a travesty of justice! It's not what you get paid it's how you help others than yourself for a better society this is aimed at those who earn hundreds of thousands of pound's not most of us!

[feduppostie]

the general populous has suddenly woken up to what has happened over the last 30 years

No they haven't.
You have changed your political/social circle.
And therein lies your problem.

I could go into great detail about why the "winds of change" are no more than a contrived attempt at inventing an appetite for political change but really all you have to do is look around and smell the coffee. Look where.we are politically compared to 5 years ago, look at who is controlling the debate, look at who makes the decisions and listen to those outside your own bubble.

I agree with you to a point, yes my circle has changed and of course I will be discussing more politics in that circle

But what I am talking about is different - we are talking about politics here for example, people at work are talking politics at breakfast time, my mother is sharing political posts on facebook ( seriously she only shares cat clips) things are changing, normal people are talking about politics in person and on social media and love him or loathe him Jeremy Corbyn is a huge part of that

If you had told me a year ago that I would have been waiting for the result of a Labour leadership race with baited breath I would have laughed in your face - yet here I am and that is what I was doing, things are changing - let's hope it continues

[Tman]

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normal people are talking about politics in person and on social media and love him or loathe him Jeremy Corbyn is a huge part of that

"Normal " people do indeed seem to be more politicised now, but if the average postie is representative of manual workers (the old "man on the Clapham omnibus" cliché) then those normal people seem to be moving relentlessly to the Right politically, and the loathsome archetypal Tory Farage speaks their language, which leaves Corbyn looking like the desperate old man of the left that he is.
Corbyn isn't a huge part of that by any stretch of the imagination, but merely some dodgy old fool being driven and tossed around by events over which he has no (and almost certainly never will have) any control over.
Of course he was going to be re-elected, there was never any doubt in that, but you and dear old jet should save the Hail the New King bit until he's given the keys to Number 10 rather than the endorsement of a load of dewy-eyed accolytes, though I rather doubt anyone on this forum will live long enough to see that event actually take place.

[baldrick]

The Tory backwoodsmen didn't think Thatcher stood any chance of becoming Prime Minister too, when she became party leader.

[dvbuk55]

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though I rather doubt anyone on this forum will live long enough to see that event actually take place.

That includes Corbyn, the acolytes will be wheeling him out in his mobility scooter nobody sure if he's actually alive for the next 20 years, by which time no one will remember who he is, including himself.

[Binsey]

the general populous has suddenly woken up to what has happened over the last 30 years

No they haven't.
You have changed your political/social circle.
And therein lies your problem.

I could go into great detail about why the "winds of change" are no more than a contrived attempt at inventing an appetite for political change but really all you have to do is look around and smell the coffee. Look where.we are politically compared to 5 years ago, look at who is controlling the debate, look at who makes the decisions and listen to those outside your own bubble.

I disagree we have just had Britexit. The people were given a chance to give the political/business class a bloody nose and boy did they get it......

[fishtank]

I disagree we have just had Britexit. The people were given a chance to give the political/business class a bloody nose and boy did they get it......

Who was steering the good ship Brexit?

Nigel Farage.
Michael Gove.
Boris Johnson.
The Daily Mail.

An example of the people giving the political business class a bloody nose?
Brexit is an example of the "people" moving towards an insular right-wing more selfish position, I'm struggling to see how that could support the idea that the voting public are more eager to throw their weight behind a radical left-wing alternative solution. The two positions are inherently contradictory. Corbyn doesn't even have a coherent policy on Europe, he can't even make his mind up whether he's for or against.

[Tman]

Corbyn was very much against the idea or "concept" of the EU for decades, and was persuaded to then change his stance to one of "tacit approval but with reservations" when the Labour Party in general decided that it was better to be in the EU than out, as being out would clearly lead to the return of boys up chimneys, dark Satanic mills, etc etc and only the likes of Jean-Claude Juncker could save us from that.
Such strong principles, that Corbyn...

[dvbuk55]

Such strong principles, that Corbyn...

Corbyn will be whatever the left says he is, as for principles - well he's just a shade younger than I am and he's on his third wife whilst I've had the same one for 44 years. I believe his first wife referred to him as a left wing radical and there's someone who would know

[Tman]

She also said his usual foreplay routine was to don his favourite Ban the Bomb T-shirt and hold a Q & A session on the latest-read chapter of Noam Chomsky. He probably still does...

[jetblack]

Such strong principles, that Corbyn...

Corbyn will be whatever the left says he is, as for principles - well he's just a shade younger than I am and he's on his third wife whilst I've had the same one for 44 years. I believe his first wife referred to him as a left wing radical and there's someone who would know

JC's wife is an attractive woman.
I know it would be better for you if she looked like a bag of old spanners, but let's give the guy respect where respect is due.
Some women actually do go for the decent man

[dvbuk55]

She also said his usual foreplay routine was to don his favourite Ban the Bomb T-shirt and hold a Q & A session on the latest-read chapter of Noam Chomsky. He probably still does...

Perleeese tman I've just eaten my tea and I got a vision of some boney arsed old bloke scampering round the bedroom holding a copy of Karl Marx in one hand and er....something else in the other

[dvbuk55]

JCs wife is 23 years younger than he is, they married in Mexico on the sly, he didn't tell anyone, she was accompanied by her family and Corbyn had just one friend now that surprised me a little bit that he managed to have one friend, well I say friend I think it was a bloke from Birmingham on holiday that Jezza roped in for the wedding photos