CWU support of Jeremy Corbyn

[k979aaa]

Well all political party's have issues with BREXIT some more than others as for UKIP we know where they stand but voting for a single issue party never solved anything we only have to look back to the 1930's for that in Germany. And if we are backing this we need to question our own morals and that which we all work with. But one cannot ignore that migration of people cannot go unchecked this is where the free movement of people as a European ideal is at fault the EU took on more states without making them secure their borders and in effect made the project a mess from which the consequences are only now being envisaged. But let's not forget the arab spring which we waged war with other EU nations which caused mass movement of people who can blame anyone fleeing from war what gets me is why we got involved in a war we should not have been in and the damage it has caused not to mention all the lives it has cost!

[RTP]

Going to stick my neck out here and predict that Labour will have their least number of MP's in Parliament since the 1930's after the next General Election. Can't see them getting much past the 150 bar to be honest and there's every chance they could be hovering not far over 100.

[dvbuk55]

Going to stick my neck out here and predict that Labour will have their least number of MP's in Parliament since the 1930's after the next General Election. Can't see them getting much past the 150 bar to be honest and there's every chance they could be hovering not far over 100.

Odd that none of the Corbynistas can see that. I'm not sure if they realise that over a third of the electorate are over 50 who aren't going to go for the leftist view. More so because McDonnell in his "state of the party" speech, didn't mention pensioners at all, only that the living wage is "predicted" to be over £10 by 2020 - who knows what the cost of living will be in 4 years. In any case the Tories have forecast a living wage of £9.50 in the same timeline, hardly earth shattering.

[baldrick]

I see that bookies are making Corbyn favourite to be the next Prime Minister with odds of 5/1.
Boris Johnson is second favourite at 8/1. You two Mystic Megs should put a bet on.

[dvbuk55]

I see that bookies are making Corbyn favourite to be the next Prime Minister with odds of 5/1.
Boris Johnson is second favourite at 8/1. You two Mystic Megs should put a bet on.

They're just taking the p1ss baldrick hoping his Corbynista mugs will bung big bucks on him - the real odds would be 5000-1. I think the odds on me being the next prime minister would be roughly the same.

[baldrick]

In 2015 the "working people" voted for a Tory government.
In 2016 the Scottish "working people" voted for an SNP government.

ft, the Tory Government was only elected in 2015 by 26% of the electorate. A lot of core Labour voters didn't bother to vote because they weren't enthused by a Labour Party which was virtually the same as the Tories. Others voted for UKIP or Scottish or Welsh Nationalists for the same reason.

Says who?
If that was the case the polls since the GE would be heading in the other direction and Labour would have seen at least a partial recovery in Scotland as the party moved left.

It will take time to rebuild the Labour Party in Scotland, especially as the Scottish LP Leader is on the right wing of the Labour Party.
But things are already starting to change. The Labour candidate won the Irvine West council election last month:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local ... rs-8614704" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[baldrick]

And Labour won the by-election for the Coatbridge North & Glenboig council seat four days ago:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local ... ck-8895855" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems Scottish voters are returning to Labour with Corbyn as leader, ft.

[feduppostie]

A little story for the naysayers - a month or so ago there was a political meeting on the very sexy 'new economics' ( Yes I'm being sarcastic) in the town where I live where a young Labour MP was speaking, it was only advertised on twitter and facebook as the speaker was confirmed at short notice ( it was run by the local momentum group)

They booked a decent sized room and hoped for a decent turn out, maybe 100 people if things were good - over 500 people turned up, with many having to be turned away as there was no more room, all seats taken as well and standing room, all ages, all sexes, all ethnic groups

After the meeting ( it was a very informative meeting) people were asked what had drawn them to it, the most popular answer was that Jeremy Corbyn had re-ignited ( or ignited) their interest in politics and they wanted to be involved, to see what it was all about

This was on a rainy Tuesday in a northern town, if it is happening here it will be happening elsewhere

This could have been for a local Labour meeting if they hadn't been suspended, hopefully now this will transmit now meetings are allowed again!

Times are changing, people are talking about politics everywhere, people that have never shown the slightest bit of interest before, people you know - voters

I know this because I'm one of them!

[dvbuk55]

The Momentum Group will be toxic for the labour party as the old militant group was in the past and Momentum is just a rehash of that sorry state of affairs.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The Momentum Group will be toxic for the labour party as the old militant group was in the past and Momentum is just a rehash of that sorry state of affairs.

If that's what you took from the BBC and Channel 4 pieces that came out, and to be honest I think that's what you were meant to. I think your dislike of Corbyn is colouring your view of a valid movement within the Labour party

There is no argument that Momentum does have a few die-hard far left Trots in it, and they will, as they always have, try to guide the grass roots towards a revolution. Guess what, that's what they have always been doing down the years, the SWP, the SW, WP, CPGB, etc etc etc, have attempted, with little or no success to steer such radical groups as Compass and the LRC in their direction. Momentum, at its heart, and it is its main attraction is it's a populous movement.

It's a simple fact of numbers, the far left tankies can't, and never will have control of momentum because at present momentum have 20,000 registered members and probably 200,000 supporters. The far left has never had those numbers before, and probably never will. They see Momentum as a way to start a revolution and overthrow the government and they will continue to do so, but Momentum is a different animal, it wants to make changes through the Ballot Box, and for that reason, despite the scaremongering from the press the Hard Left will never have enough influence to reach their ultimate political aims. Most momentum members won't let them.

An article in the Conversation (re-run by the Independent recently) explains why Militant and Momentum are such different organisations, way better than I can https://theconversation.com/is-momentum ... ency-52056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

[dvbuk55]

An article in the Conversation (re-run by the Independent recently) explains why Militant and Momentum are such different organisations, way better than I can https://theconversation.com/is-momentum ... ency-52056" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; .

Also from an article in the Conversation though not the same author:

The election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party has not just moved the opposition dramatically to the left. It is also part of a slip back towards the hard-line leftism of the 1980s, an era of extremely heated social, racial and class conflict that centre-leftists long hoped had been consigned to the past.Corbyn himself was, of course, a big feature of that era, and long embodied some of its more unappealing tendencies. Throughout his political career, Corbyn has often extended his hand to the “oppressed”, but often on a misguided basis. By sharing platforms with anti-semites – although there is no suggestion that he is one – and maintaining close relationships with groups opposed to British interests, such as Hamas and Hezbollah, the new Labour leader has often erred on the side of divisive radicalism rather than political astuteness.

Not difficult to find conflicting views really that support whichever way you swing.

[jetblack]

Labour is now the largest party by membership in Europe - and yet still people say he's unelectable, the membership doesn't translate to the ballot box etc. I think one thing the internet has shown us in modern times has been the power of the the network effect. The network effect has always been important, but in the days of social (online) networking it is even more so. We used to rely on central authorities as our sources of information and opinion - central authorities like News International. Not anymore.

Meanwhile, DVB is praying for a general election so that the Labour Party can actually be defeated - thereby showing the early door to Jeremy Corbyn - while Jeremy Corbyn himself has just delivered a great,polished and motivational speech to the Labour Party conference in Liverpool.

Seriously thinking of joining the party and getting involved locally myself now TBH. I want in on this

I love the story of Jeremy Corbyn, for want of a better way of saying it. I like the idea that a decent principled man has stuck to his guns/ kept his head when all around were losing theirs. I like the fact that the good is out in the end, justice been done, when at an age when most people are retiring to pipe and slippers he has been "discovered".
Why now ? Because during those decades of his life when even he would have been forgiven for questioning what it was all for, he was actually in the process of establishing something very important. He established through those long and what must often have been (politically) lonely years the trust of the people - and its seems there is no short cut to trust. Its like political gold dust - especially in these times when everyone and their uncle in politics has somehow been compromised by power.
I think there's an important life lesson here for all of us.

edit. just to say, watched Dave Ward speaking/being interviewed at the conference earlier. I'm liking Dave Ward a lot and agreed with everything he said.

[dvbuk55]

Man Utd probably have the largest fan base in the world but it doesn't mean they are going to win the League. I'm sick of saying there are 9 million voters in labours camp normally but that won't happen with Corbyn, he himself is toxic to all right minded labour supporters. Dave Ward is for Dave Ward another old hat spouting rhetoric.

[baldrick]

Yes great conference speech. Corbyn is getting into his stride now and getting better and better.
Jetblack you should join up, and anyone else who wants to change society for the better should.
Even if you don't want to get phsyically involved, just becoming a member helps. Labour is on it's way to becoming a truly mass party. It is an exciting prospect.

[baldrick]

I see that bookies are making Corbyn favourite to be the next Prime Minister with odds of 5/1.
Boris Johnson is second favourite at 8/1. You two Mystic Megs should put a bet on.

They're just taking the p1ss baldrick hoping his Corbynista mugs will bung big bucks on him - the real odds would be 5000-1. I think the odds on me being the next prime minister would be roughly the same.

Paddy Power has now cut the odds on Corbyn becoming next PM from 5/1 to 9/2!