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Earlier I watched a live broadcast by someone using Periscope on their mobile phone of Jeremy Corbyn giving a good speech on the steps of a Uni. in London.
Unfortunately, the BBC in their coverage so far this evening, have only seen fit to give voice to the heckler at said talk (which only lasted about 5 seconds) and not the substantive part of Jeremy Corbyns speech.
Likewise with the coverage of Camerons cheap jibe in Parliament today at PMQ's.

The whole Establishment are against him. Just like they were with the NUM leader in the 80's when he said the Tories were out to decimate the mining industry. They laughed, they mocked, they jeered - even those in the Labour Party. And yet, within 5 years of the defeat of the miners, Arthur Scargill was proved to have been right all along.

Whether Jeremy withstands the barage or not (and I sincerely hope he continues to show the courage that he has thus far), the game is up for the Labour Party in its current form. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now, but the PLP seem to be the only ones not to see it.


fishtank wrote:Voting to leave the European union was not a vote for change
No, you've lost me there mate - that is way over my head I'm afraid, basic or not.


edit. almost quarter of a million people signed petiton now in favour of Corbyn.
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So, what is more important, the Labour Party as a political party, or Jeremy Corbyn? The CWU says "our strength comes from working and campaigning together", cant see any of that from Corbyn or the Labour party.
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Lance Jack wrote:So, what is more important, the Labour Party as a political party, or Jeremy Corbyn?
The people being represented is the more important - therefore, Jeremy Corbyn.

Jeremy Corbyn is the Labour Party.
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jetblack wrote:
Lance Jack wrote:So, what is more important, the Labour Party as a political party, or Jeremy Corbyn?
The people being represented is the more important - therefore, Jeremy Corbyn.

Jeremy Corbyn is the Labour Party.
If the Labour party wants to form a government that represents the people of the United kingdom itt has to represent more than the wishes of labour party members, it isn't a social club.
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OK - gonna push another issue here that I think needs pushing - not an issue that I think is unrelated to the OP, so its not strictly speaking off topic.

How about we stop supporting the BBC, by we/us paying a licence fee ?

Its coverage of Jeremy Corbyns situation has been absolutely appalling - and yet I'm paying what ? £150 a year for the benefit of its "impartial" coverage ? :roll:

Do we/you honestly think that its coverage of the EU referendum debate was impartial ?

I know I don't.

Does the beeb have a forum through which we can discuss these issues ? If there is I haven't managed to find it. Even if there were, would they listen ?

Its all a part of the problem folks.
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Jeremy Corbyn is a bloody nutter, The sooner he goes back under that stone he came from the better, It's brilliant watching those left wing wallies implode :nana :nana :nana
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Thanks for that Boris

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jetblack wrote:Arthur Scargill was proved to have been right all along.

fishtank wrote:Voting to leave the European union was not a vote for change
No, you've lost me there mate - that is way over my head I'm afraid, basic or not.


edit. almost quarter of a million people signed petiton now in favour of Corbyn.
Well Scargill was wrong, he called a strike without representation, he called a strike when coal was being stockpiled and failed to see the writing on the wall.

Well ft was stating that people voted to leave the EU because they didn't want the changes in the manner that the EU wanted and any changes would be at the behest of the UK voters.

However the remain crew shouldn't be too disheartened at this stage, as I've said before, we voted to leave but we haven't left yet and there are many miles to go before that happens.
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I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist, I don't buy into the EU politics or the practicality of "one world" even if I would love the ideal.

I voted to remain because I knew the consequences of both decisions, weighed them up logically and felt that on balance leaving would be far more economically detrimental and socially divisive in the long run and I didn't believe Brexit could deliver on its promises or that they even had a coherent plan. Nothing I've seen since has made me think I made the wrong decision.

I don't think many of those who voted to leave are fully aware of the consequences and I think many will be quietly regretting their decision.
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al64 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is a bloody nutter, The sooner he goes back under that stone he came from the better, It's brilliant watching those left wing wallies implode :nana :nana :nana
Just suppose you're right.
What happens to the Labour party?
Are you aware of the consequences of a one party state?
It doesn't end well.

It was the lack of genuine opposition that allowed Blair to run amok in the middle east.
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dvbuk55 wrote: Well Scargill was wrong
I'll not get into that one as we could be at it for weeks - and you would come off the worse. Suffice to say, its disappointing, to say the least, that on the union section of a forum that someone should be pedalling such nonsense in this day and age. Arthur Scargill is a great man, and one who history has vindicated.

dvbuk55 wrote:Well ft was stating that people voted to leave the EU because they didn't want the changes in the manner that the EU wanted and any changes would be at the behest of the UK voters.
Yes, I think I got the jist - and maybe on a different day we could have a sensible discussion about peoples natural conservatism, senescence and reluctance to change. But in the week that a nation has just democratically decided to take its fate into its own hands, breaking a habit formed 40 years ago, it doesn't, well, seem right or proper. In fact, it seems like you are (both) splitting hairs.


Anyhow, to get back to Jeremy Corbyn, I thought it might be worth while to cite some of the mans policies. Cos ultimately it is about what the man stands for that is of improtance here - not the tailor who cut his suit.

"The mind is the measure of the man"


Here we go :-

- The deficit should be tackled - but not through spending cuts and not to an "arbitrary" deadline. Instead Corbyn would fund its reduction via higher taxes for the rich and a crackdown on tax avoidance and evasion while tackling "corporate welfare" and tax breaks for companies.

-Britain's railways should be renationalised.

-Far more allotments would be good for the UK. He has a plot near his constituency in north London and told the Commons in 2008 that councils and builders "should be doing their best to ensure that every new development includes some allotment space".

-Talking to militant groups is necessary to win peace in the Middle East.

-"Quantitative easing for people" could be used to invest in housing, energy, transport and digital projects. Unlike the £375bn issued electronically by the Bank of England between 2009 and 2012 to buy bonds, gilts and other debts, this would be "QE for people instead of banks", Corbyn says. Tax campaigner Richard Murphy argues these plans would stimulate the economy and boost employment.

-A National Education Service modelled on the NHS should be established. Under Corbyn, state-funded academies and free schools would be forced to return to local authority control while university tuition fees would be scrapped and replaced with grants. Corbyn would look at ending the charitable status of public schools.

-Labour should not support air strikes against Islamic State in Syria.

- Rent controls should be re-introduced, linking private rents to local earnings, and more council houses should be built. He also believes that council tenants' right to buy their homes should be extended to private sector renters.

-The Chagos islanders evicted from Diego Garcia should be allowed to return. Some 2,000 people were displaced from the British Indian Ocean territory between 1967 and 1971 to make way for a US air base. Corbyn has been a long-standing supporter of their campaign to go back.

-An arms embargo should be imposed on Israel.

-Corbyn is a committed republican, but he would not seek to end the monarchy.

-He opposes the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal.

-Corbyn backs cycling. He does not own a car and declined to share one with the BBC's Chris Mason for an interview, saying: "I cycle all the time. Actually I've got a confession to make, a rather naughty secret - I've got two bikes." He is also a member of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Cycling.

-Energy companies should be under public ownership. He says he would be "much happier" with a "regulated, publicly run service delivering energy supplies". He is "totally opposed" to fracking. However, he says deep-mine coal pits in the north of England could be reopened.

-Ireland should be united.

-A national maximum wage should be introduced to cap the salaries of high earners. He would also introduce a windfall tax on former state assets such as the Royal Bank of Scotland, which he says were privatised too cheaply.

-Every child should have the chance to learn a musical instrument or act on stage. Corbyn's arts policy also includes directing a greater proportion of funding to local projects, widening access and protecting the BBC.

-Private Finance Initiative deals with the NHS should be ended by using government funds to buy them out. Writing in the Guardian, Corbyn said they were a "mess" that were costing the health service billions.

-A "serious debate about the powers of Nato" is needed




The only bit that I can disagree with out of that is that the BBC should be protected - not for me Jeremy, sorry.

Other than that, for me, the bloke is pretty much spot on, shabby suit or not.



fishtank wrote:
al64 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn is a bloody nutter, The sooner he goes back under that stone he came from the better, It's brilliant watching those left wing wallies implode :nana :nana :nana
Just suppose you're right....
He isn't.
fishtank wrote:....What happens to the Labour party?
Are you aware of the consequences of a one party state?
It doesn't end well.
You have a good point there.
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If he really said all those things, then I take it back. He's not a woolly-headed old fart who still thinks like a 1960s student, but a deluded and potentially dangerous old man.
Allotments.. FFS.
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Tman wrote:If he really said all those things, then I take it back. He's not a woolly-headed old fart who still thinks like a 1960s student, but a deluded and potentially dangerous old man.
Allotments.. FFS.
I notice nothing had a financial costing attached to it, merely a rambling of what a leftist Utopia would look like and that is why the bloke is unelectable.
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dvbuk55 wrote:
Tman wrote:If he really said all those things, then I take it back. He's not a woolly-headed old fart who still thinks like a 1960s student, but a deluded and potentially dangerous old man.
Allotments.. FFS.
I notice nothing had a financial costing attached to it, merely a rambling of what a leftist Utopia would look like and that is why the bloke is unelectable.
A "Leftist Utopia" ? What ? An equitable share of wealth, power and opportunity ? Kids starting off from a level playing field, a meritocracy ? Have we come this far down the road to ruin that simple ideas like this are seen as utopian ?
Social justice has to be paid for ? No it doesn't. Its a luxury ? No its not.

Start believing again. There's everything to play for.

ps.please try not to quote Tman in your responses. It means I have to ignore him twice.
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It doesn't really matter what your policies are.
If no one will follow you're just the writing policies for text books.
What Corbyn and his supporters want to do is move the Labour party to the left and to hell with the country in the meantime. People are politically far more complex than left and right and one way to alienate voters is to believe that just because they might have a social conscience that they necessarily believe in socialism, donkey jackets and living in a commune.
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