Pay offer update! 1.6% flowing thorough to all allowances overtime etc

Speedmeister · Post by **Speedmeister** » 06 Jun 2016, 16:24

moon71 wrote:
Speedmeister wrote:It's about time that they paid double time for working your day off - makes it worth doing then.
Why would they do that? Just get a casual.

I wish they would.

Midnight+13 · Post by **Midnight+13** » 06 Jun 2016, 18:54

I will be voting to reject this offer. FAR too Little, far too late.

Why are cwu top brass even recommending this?

And why are we paying these people, who seem to sell us out every 5 minutes, with the supposed deal of the century or it's the best we could get excuse.

And as for the few on here who think its a good deal, just wake up will you!

steve2zaf · Post by **steve2zaf** » 06 Jun 2016, 19:05

I personally think its a bad deal - the union are a useless bunch . I bet Dave Ward and his spineless cronies give themselves a far bigger payrise on the backs of our subs . I wish I had the balls to cancel my membership - but feel that in this climate your always looking over your shoulder for that sacking excuse. I'll be voting NO .

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 07 Jun 2016, 18:01

Hmmm what a good idea

I vote for a 1.6, possibly 2% pay rise and in return I could get a shorter working week (say 35 hours instead of 39). Please excuse me if I'm a little slow but I heard dingo mention a 35 working week. Does that mean I could lose 4 hours pay every week (or £40)??? That sure offsets the 2% rise!

And assuming indoor time is reduced....does it also mean that we will be walking the streets even longer than we already are?? Jeez, in our office, staff are already dropping loops left, right and centre on busy days because the screws added too much lapsing on them last year. Will the one big wave of sometimes unsequenced mech (imagine 4 or 5 trays arriving at 10am!) mean potentially later start and finish times?? Speculation your honour, because no one seems to know anything

now I aint got time to sit through reams of Of com's reports, but it seems that royal mail are desperate to make wholesale changes for next year, and it sure as hell won't benefit us. It's obvious royal mail ain't going to give us much as they work on the principle of the law of diminishing returns, meaning less for us in real wages. Vote no.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 07 Jun 2016, 18:06

The 35 hour week is not agreed.

It's a target the CWU set at conference to be achieved by 2020, with no loss of pay IIRC.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 07 Jun 2016, 18:29

Crikey that's in 4 years and if that's the case we need a lot more than 1.6% for that to happen

However, one should be very careful what you wish for. I certainly wouldn't want a 6 hour plus walking delivery span nor a 5pm finish, but there is a lot of scaremongering and not many facts. Hopefully, dingo can keep stalling the bigwigs in their little ivory tower.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 07 Jun 2016, 19:53

35 hour week will come at a hell of a cost and a hell of a carrot will be dangled. we might get 12% over 3 yrs but you can bet your boots the work force will be devastated. our area rep mentioned delivery has currently 68000 walks, and RM want that down to 43000. that's 25000 jobs. this will pay for future rises but 6 hr+ deliveries later starts, sunday working. scaremongering?....I bloody well hope it is!!

Maxxy3 · Post by **Maxxy3** » 08 Jun 2016, 22:25

Midnight+13 wrote:I will be voting to reject this offer. FAR too Little, far too late.

Why are cwu top brass even recommending this?

And why are we paying these people, who seem to sell us out every 5 minutes, with the supposed deal of the century or it's the best we could get excuse.

And as for the few on here who think its a good deal, just wake up will you!

The moon is made of cheese, and dolphins rule the world.
And as for the few on here who disagree, just wake up will you!
(You can state literally anything, if you don't have to explain or justify your reasoning)

I'll explain how the world actually works for you here in simple terms, so bear with me.

Lets say a car cost £10,000 last year. The car is exactly the same this year, it has no better parts, it's identical. It does cost 1.3% more to make however.
Would you pay: -
A) £10,130 (1.3% extra)?
B) £10,160 (1.6% extra)?
C) £11,200 (12% extra)?
The fact is, you are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for you. It doesn't matter whether you are a baker, an accountant or a postman; no one is paying £11,200 for that car.

Member 34 · Post by **Member 34** » 09 Jun 2016, 16:01

Maxxy3 wrote: It doesn't matter whether you are a baker, an accountant or a postman; no one is paying £11,200 for that car.

That depends.

What colour is it?

30+YEARMAN · Post by **30+YEARMAN** » 09 Jun 2016, 16:47

Maxxy3 wrote:
Midnight+13 wrote:I will be voting to reject this offer. FAR too Little, far too late.

Why are cwu top brass even recommending this?

And why are we paying these people, who seem to sell us out every 5 minutes, with the supposed deal of the century or it's the best we could get excuse.

And as for the few on here who think its a good deal, just wake up will you!
The moon is made of cheese, and dolphins rule the world.
And as for the few on here who disagree, just wake up will you!
(You can state literally anything, if you don't have to explain or justify your reasoning)

I'll explain how the world actually works for you here in simple terms, so bear with me.

Lets say a car cost £10,000 last year. The car is exactly the same this year, it has no better parts, it's identical. It does cost 1.3% more to make however.
Would you pay: -
A) £10,130 (1.3% extra)?
B) £10,160 (1.6% extra)?
C) £11,200 (12% extra)?
The fact is, you are only worth what someone is prepared to pay for you. It doesn't matter whether you are a baker, an accountant or a postman; no one is paying £11,200 for that car.

Wish I had ten grand to spend on a car

jetblack · Post by **jetblack** » 09 Jun 2016, 17:31

daveyeff wrote:our area rep mentioned delivery has currently 68000 walks, and RM want that down to 43000. that's 25000 jobs.

Can anyone confirm this one way or the other ? Wouldn't surprise me.

Re. the 1.6% - I'll probably go with it. Its above inflation after all.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 09 Jun 2016, 18:05

jetblack wrote:
daveyeff wrote:our area rep mentioned delivery has currently 68000 walks, and RM want that down to 43000. that's 25000 jobs.
Can anyone confirm this one way or the other ? Wouldn't surprise me.

The drop in the number of walks is a certainty under the one wave plan, the figures may be subject to fluctuation but that guess seems about right to me.

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 09 Jun 2016, 19:37

I went to a meeting back in February in Manchester. There were no hard and fast decisions on anything. What was said is that Moya Greene had said that Monday and Tuesday deliveries MIGHT go. This was a response to the CWU saying they would defend the Saturday service. As yet it is all pie in the sky. They would have to change the law so the USO could be changed. As for 6 hour deliveries, let's wait and see. Lots to talk about and negotiations will take ages.

Darren Bent · Post by **Darren Bent** » 09 Jun 2016, 20:09

I would rather work tuesday to Friday if we all working 4 days a week full time. But we will lose a lot of parcels in business as we can't guarantee next day delivery.

Nigel1505 · Post by **Nigel1505** » 11 Jun 2016, 15:19

Voted NO. Too much chumminess between CWU and RM now. 1.6% derisory offer.