Flexing

DiamondSmiles · Post by **DiamondSmiles** » 06 May 2016, 15:22

WOBBLY wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:Please be aware it was slightly changed (RE:Time back in the 'SAME WEEK') in the new AFG2014 agreement...

Point of Clarification on 30 mins Flexibility

Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minute flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement. The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.

Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual’s personal obligations and responsibilities.
Cheers for that

Question is though can they force it upon us or do we have to agree to it??

It's up to you if you want to flex if they ask you. They cannot force you.

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 06 May 2016, 16:11

My partner in another office brought home a sheet with 2 options to tick,,,do you agree to swings and roundabouts or work contracted hours? Doing Contracted hours means shel have to sit her meal relief in office at end of day . Is this nationwide ?....

Surreypostie · Post by **Surreypostie** » 06 May 2016, 16:31

Wrong, they cannot make you take your whole break at the end of the shift, nor at the beginning.

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 06 May 2016, 16:53

daveyeff wrote:tell them you will flex up 30 mins, if you can have that 30 mins knocked off the back of your duty time on Saturday. when they squirm and say no, then tell them sorry then, afraid not.

This is wot We say. We have to lapse on a Saturday. If We flex We cant lapse

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 06 May 2016, 17:00

Chelseablue wrote:My partner in another office brought home a sheet with 2 options to tick,,,do you agree to swings and roundabouts or work contracted hours? Doing Contracted hours means shel have to sit her meal relief in office at end of day . Is this nationwide ?....

What makes her think She will have to meal relief at end of day?

WOBBLY · Post by **WOBBLY** » 06 May 2016, 17:03

Surreypostie wrote:Wrong, they cannot make you take your whole break at the end of the shift, nor at the beginning.

^^this^^

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 06 May 2016, 17:03

Chelseablue wrote:My partner in another office brought home a sheet with 2 options to tick,,,do you agree to swings and roundabouts or work contracted hours? Doing Contracted hours means shel have to sit her meal relief in office at end of day . Is this nationwide ?....

I truly wish it was. Sticking to my contracted hours without any hassle would be a dream for me. I'd even agree to take my break at the end, even though that's utter bollocks.

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 06 May 2016, 17:49

it sounds more like to me that theyre saying if theres no "swing and roundabouts" approach then everyone will be expected to work their contracted hours, therefore people coming back early will be sent out with extra work. The other option theyre giving of course is the swings and roundabouts approach where they are saying they will turn a blind eye to people coming back somedays if on the busier days people extend for free.

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 06 May 2016, 18:13

Postie45 wrote:it sounds more like to me that theyre saying if theres no "swing and roundabouts" approach then everyone will be expected to work their contracted hours, therefore people coming back early will be sent out with extra work. The other option theyre giving of course is the swings and roundabouts approach where they are saying they will turn a blind eye to people coming back somedays if on the busier days people extend for free.

Get that to F***!

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 06 May 2016, 19:13

If by chance you finish earylish one day, well when your past your time tommorow that will even it up , thats the swings n bollox thing. Ppl have families and life outside royal mail . There are duties who finish before there time day in day out but swings n roundabollox doesent affect them at all . Mail was down today but half the office were past there time .

Bahia Feliz · Post by **Bahia Feliz** » 06 May 2016, 19:32

al64 wrote:We have set duties that we flex every Monday, Tuesday,Friday, Saturday unless it is exceptionaly heavy, But strangely enough they never think it is

Are you talking about absorption/lapsing?

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 06 May 2016, 20:18

Chelseablue wrote:If by chance you finish earylish one day, well when your past your time tommorow that will even it up , thats the swings n bollox thing. Ppl have families and life outside royal mail . There are duties who finish before there time day in day out but swings n roundabollox doesent affect them at all . Mail was down today but half the office were past there time .

No it isn't swings and roundabouts, today is different to yesterday,it's not our fault that Tuesday's are so light,why don't they use this fantastic forecasting tool that they have and even out the workload? because it's crap,that's why.

super-postie · Post by **super-postie** » 26 Jun 2016, 21:19

Am I right in saying that if Im an hour over on Monday and claim this as overtime then on Tuesday I get finished an hour early then this cancels out Mondays overtime.
Seems daft cos id I stuck to my cantracted hours Id be better off (time wise) if u know what i mean. Could this also be seen as withholding wages if Mondays overtime was not paid. I love all the advice given here cos I love being armed with the facts prior to the daily argument with management!

Surreypostie · Post by **Surreypostie** » 28 Jun 2016, 14:42

super-postie wrote:Am I right in saying that if Im an hour over on Monday and claim this as overtime then on Tuesday I get finished an hour early then this cancels out Mondays overtime.
Seems daft cos id I stuck to my cantracted hours Id be better off (time wise) if u know what i mean. Could this also be seen as withholding wages if Mondays overtime was not paid. I love all the advice given here cos I love being armed with the facts prior to the daily argument with management!

No, if you work an hour over on monday you get paid for it, they cannot cross it out later.

super-postie · Post by **super-postie** » 28 Jun 2016, 15:39

Bunch of scamming managers are trying it at our office. Had a massive argument regarding this. Why does it always end in a row. Why do managers disregard national agreements day in day out.