CWU 'drive for 35' hr week

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So potentially somebody on a 35hr contract could get a nice rise in their hourly rate whereas a fulltimer would receive a reduction in their working week but no added pay? That would go down well with some

Obviously all speculation at the moment

There was no outcry the last 2 times it happened.

Don't forget a 1 hour reduction from 40 hours with no loss of pay is a 2.5% pay rise per hour.

[A2B]

So potentially somebody on a 35hr contract could get a nice rise in their hourly rate whereas a fulltimer would receive a reduction in their working week but no added pay? That would go down well with some

Obviously all speculation at the moment

There was no outcry the last 2 times it happened.

Don't forget a 1 hour reduction from 40 hours with no loss of pay is a 2.5% pay rise per hour.

But it would not be extra money in the pocket would it. Having extra time would allow you to do more overtime if you were that way inclined but that probably wouldn't help the aim of keeping more people employed

Out of interest what would the pay increase percentage be for a 35hr employee if the union achieved their aim for a 35hr working week for fulltime workers? Obviously very doubtful they could get this in one pay deal i know

[TrueBlueTerrier]

35 hours pay to match a 39 Hour full timer at the moment would equate to roughly a 10.25% rise.

[A2B]

Thanks, i still think if some employees are "potentially" getting a 10.25% increase into their bank account and others are getting more free time it will cause issues

[steve1873]

So potentially somebody on a 35hr contract could get a nice rise in their hourly rate whereas a fulltimer would receive a reduction in their working week but no added pay? That would go down well with some

Obviously all speculation at the moment

You can't have it both ways!

If someone is already on 35hrs and fulltime colleagues drop down to 35hrs, then why would they not earn the same?

Basically every hour of the working week dropped will see EVERYONES hourly rate go up by around 2.56%

If 4 hours are slashed from the working week by 2020, then everyone will see their hourly rate increase by 10.25%

[A2B]

So potentially somebody on a 35hr contract could get a nice rise in their hourly rate whereas a fulltimer would receive a reduction in their working week but no added pay? That would go down well with some

Obviously all speculation at the moment

You can't have it both ways!

If someone is already on 35hrs and fulltime colleagues drop down to 35hrs, then why would they not earn the same?

Basically every hour of the working week dropped will see EVERYONES hourly rate go up by around 2.56%

If 4 hours are slashed from the working week by 2020, then everyone will see their hourly rate increase by 10.25%

I'm not against it but surely i'm not the only person who can see arguments where a fulltime worker will receive no extra in their wages (and that's where it matters for most people) but a 35hr worker would receive an extra 10.25%

Let's face it some people still can't get their heads around the Delivery Supplement so trying to explain that by working less hours their hourly rate has increased is going to be painful

[steve1873]

But they are working less hours whilst being paid the same money, so they ARE seeing 10.25% increase. That it isn't reflected in their actual pay shouldn't really be an issue, given that they are being paid the same to work less hours. How can that not be a good thing?

It would also reduce the gap in earnings between FT and PT members of staff. Again, something that should be seen as a massive positive.

[fishtank]

I think part of any deal to reduce the working week has to come with a genuine attempt to balance and align workload to hours worked, there is no point in reducing the working week on paper if some members are consistently being pressured to work beyond those hours while others are not even working those hours.

For this to happen certain practices will have to stop and some members will squeal, I hope the union has the strength to do what's best for the members as a whole.

[A2B]

But they are working less hours whilst being paid the same money, so they ARE seeing 10.25% increase. That it isn't reflected in their actual pay shouldn't really be an issue, given that they are being paid the same to work less hours. How can that not be a good thing

The money going into the bank every week is key to most people, a reduction in hours worked on the same pay will not pay for a rising cost of living.Think we will have to agree to disagree on this

[motherhubbard]

But they are working less hours whilst being paid the same money, so they ARE seeing 10.25% increase. That it isn't reflected in their actual pay shouldn't really be an issue.

If the council tax has gone up 3%, gas and electricity 5%, transport/petrol etc etc, an extra 4 hours off the working week isn't going to help pay the bills.
Any reduction in the working week will have to be matched by pay rises that match inflation.
Otherwise it is a very serious issue.

[gary1975]

The way I see it, it's the only way to sustain full time jobs for the future with less indoor,work new machines, five year plans etc etc fulltime staff moaning about the cost of living, try living off 27 hours with the cost of living. I know myself and just about every other pt staff would welcome this

[rjack]

If we get a 35hr week do you think rm will reduce our rounds to balance this out, I don't think it possible as I am on a rural only route how do you cut these down without employing extra drivers and buying more vans.

[CAMPINGBLUNDERER]

If we get a 35hr week do you think rm will reduce our rounds to balance this out, I don't think it possible as I am on a rural only route how do you cut these down without employing extra drivers and buying more vans.

Totally agree , our office is deep rural and 100% full time , delivery spans are circa 5:30 at the moment , sorting and prep is not a massive issue generally around a hour and a half .

All a reduction in the working week will do is increase the overtime bill or lead to arguments over cutting off .

So would a full revision with extra staff be the only answer ?? .... I don't think RM will wear that !

[steve1873]

If we get a 35hr week do you think rm will reduce our rounds to balance this out, I don't think it possible as I am on a rural only route how do you cut these down without employing extra drivers and buying more vans.

Totally agree , our office is deep rural and 100% full time , delivery spans are circa 5:30 at the moment , sorting and prep is not a massive issue generally around a hour and a half .

All a reduction in the working week will do is increase the overtime bill or lead to arguments over cutting off .

So would a full revision with extra staff be the only answer ?? .... I don't think RM will wear that !

No it wouldn't. The business want all mail coming in in 1 wave, all fully sequenced, meaning there would be zero (or very close to) indoor work required.

[trythat]

So would a full revision with extra staff be the only answer ?? .... I don't think RM will wear that !

No it wouldn't. The business want all mail coming in in 1 wave, all fully sequenced, meaning there would be zero (or very close to) indoor work required.

I'm not sure there is any chance of a 1 wave any time soon, by the service (if you can call it that) we get from BSMC, our manual seems to be increasing. It's not really improved since xmas, I know they are 'looking' to improve, but they've been telling us that for a while.

The presentation is utterly crap! So I expect another half assed change over, where what RM HQ have a different idea of what is happening on the ground to what is happening in their tiny minds.

I see ballots coming sometime this year, which is worrying because of the lower membership and the lack of backbone for a fight, with the economic situation we are all heading for.