Delivery Supplement

fieryjack10 · Post by **fieryjack10** » 29 Feb 2016, 23:13

If Delivery Supplement is paid Pro-rata,being part-time , why does it not increase with increased hours worked

Post by **POSTMAN** » 29 Feb 2016, 23:16

It does.

Post by **IloveMYredTROLLEY!** » 01 Mar 2016, 06:11

SSPR overtime rate for PT staff gives them pro rata extra Del Supp on top of basic rate, so a PT doing a 39 hour week with overtime gets the same gross wages as FT staff that just do their contract 39 hours.

SSPR is a better rate than any overtime done over 39 hours.

motherhubbard · Post by **motherhubbard** » 01 Mar 2016, 16:24

And why is it pro rata when part timers deliver the same amount (sometimes more) of D2D as the full timers?

Biker Mouse · Post by **Biker Mouse** » 01 Mar 2016, 16:52

motherhubbard wrote:And why is it pro rata when part timers deliver the same amount (sometimes more) of D2D as the full timers?

Because the Delivery Supplement has absolutely nothing to do with D2D's.

Justanotherstar · Post by **Justanotherstar** » 01 Mar 2016, 16:55

POSTMAN wrote:It does.

It doesn't...
Never had more than about £5 something per week even when working 50+ hours.

Biker Mouse · Post by **Biker Mouse** » 01 Mar 2016, 17:00

Justanotherstar wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:It does.

It doesn't...
Never had more than about £5 something per week even when working 50+ hours.

It doesn't show on your payslip as an increase on the Del Supp, it is shown on your hours worked and paid at SSPR, which is an enhanced rate to cover the shortfall in Del Supp, which is only paid at a max of 39hrs.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Mar 2016, 17:06

Justanotherstar wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:It does.

It doesn't...
Never had more than about £5 something per week even when working 50+ hours.

The Delivery Supplement stays the same for contracted hours. But for hours between contract and 39 a special rate of overtime (SSPR) included within it is an allowance to cover the Del Supplement.

How do I know this. Because Royal Mail is not stupid, it does not knowingly break the law. https://www.gov.uk/part-time-worker-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part-time workers' rights
Part-time workers are protected from being treated less favourably than equivalent full-time workers just because they’re part time.
A part-time worker is someone who works fewer hours than a full-time worker. There is no specific number of hours that makes someone full or part-time, but a full-time worker will usually work 35 hours or more a week.

Part-time workers should get the same treatment for:

pay rates (including sick pay, maternity, paternity and adoption leave and pay)
pension opportunities and benefits
holidays
training and career development
selection for promotion and transfer, or for redundancy
opportunities for career breaks
Some benefits are applied ‘pro rata’ (in proportion to hours worked). For example, if a full-time worker gets a £1,000 Christmas bonus, and a part-time worker works half the number of hours, they should get £500.

Overtime pay - part-time workers may not get overtime pay until they’ve worked over the normal hours of a full-time worker.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 01 Mar 2016, 18:06

Delivery supplement is in two parts one is grandfather rights for the early starts payment and the other is the D2D element of which most people receive part time or otherwise which is pro rata!.

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 01 Mar 2016, 19:27

"Part timers should get the same treatment for holidays"

Knowingly breaking the law there, let's be honest here.

Post by **rambo1** » 02 Mar 2016, 16:25

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Justanotherstar wrote:
POSTMAN wrote:It does.

It doesn't...
Never had more than about £5 something per week even when working 50+ hours.

The Delivery Supplement stays the same for contracted hours. But for hours between contract and 39 a special rate of overtime (SSPR) included within it is an allowance to cover the Del Supplement.

How do I know this. Because Royal Mail is not stupid, it does not knowingly break the law. https://www.gov.uk/part-time-worker-rights" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part-time workers' rights
Part-time workers are protected from being treated less favourably than equivalent full-time workers just because they’re part time.
A part-time worker is someone who works fewer hours than a full-time worker. There is no specific number of hours that makes someone full or part-time, but a full-time worker will usually work 35 hours or more a week.

Part-time workers should get the same treatment for:

pay rates (including sick pay, maternity, paternity and adoption leave and pay)
pension opportunities and benefits
holidays
training and career development
selection for promotion and transfer, or for redundancy
opportunities for career breaks
Some benefits are applied ‘pro rata’ (in proportion to hours worked). For example, if a full-time worker gets a £1,000 Christmas bonus, and a part-time worker works half the number of hours, they should get £500.

Overtime pay - part-time workers may not get overtime pay until they’ve worked over the normal hours of a full-time worker.

Oh how I'd like a £1000 xmas bonus lol

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 02 Mar 2016, 19:41

to be fair pay is such a convoluted, confusing affair with RM its little wonder people get confused. Thank goodness for this site as you are never voluntarily told anything when you start........and don't get me started on filling in a piece of paper to record overtime, not so quick on reforming that are they.....

meercat · Post by **meercat** » 02 Mar 2016, 20:20

If it's a DELIVERY supplement how come INDOORS staff get it??

Oh cause they voted for the Agreement knowing they would get this bribe, a bribe made up of DELIVERY staff's profit from pounding the streets with sackloads of pizza and conservatory leaflets.

Solidarity? Yeah right comrades.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 03 Mar 2016, 09:23

meercat wrote:If it's a DELIVERY supplement how come INDOORS staff get it??

Oh cause they voted for the Agreement knowing they would get this bribe, a bribe made up of DELIVERY staff's profit from pounding the streets with sackloads of pizza and conservatory leaflets.

Solidarity? Yeah right comrades.

The only people who get a Delivery Supplement are those within the Delivery Function. In my office Collection, only staff don't get it.

Now if by "Indoor staff" you mean Callers, DOM Support and Locker - well in every individual DO they are outnumbered by Outside Workers so they couldn't tip the balance from a No to a Yes unless more than 50% of the office also voted with them.

However, if by Indoor staff you mean MC workers. Well, unfortunately even that doesn't work. With well over 100,000 members working in this part of the Royal mail business (Delivery), it remains the single largest group of members within the CWU.

The CWU has 199,443 members, if they were all allowed to vote on an agreement Solidarity within the Delivery Function would ALWAYS carry the vote.

Do I agree with the delivery supplement and the change to D2D payments - No - I voted against the 2010 Agreement that introduced it, I still think it was wrong. But people who agree with me have to stop peddling this line that it was voted in by "Indoor Staff" - it wasn't. It was accepted largely because members decided not to return their ballot papers, and for those that did, even in Deliveries, a Majority of them voted Yes.

117,000 ballots were sent out of which 100,000 were in delivery (see above). If all the 17,000 others voted Yes - you would still need 25,000 in delivery to support them to reach the total Yes votes of 42,023. In fact, only 21,820 voted No (I was one).

So even in Delivery in the best case scenario, the "No's" were out voted by 3,000. The simple reason, if there was one, why 2010 got accepted, it was because Delivery members didn't take the time to return their ballot papers even though it was as easy as dropping it on the IPS frame at work.