Not Royal Mail Story but it will impact our shares

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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Sell everything ahead of stock market crash, say RBS economists

Royal Bank of Scotland warns of ‘cataclysmic’ year with slumps in shares and oil and advises clients to shift to bonds

Investors face a “cataclysmic year” where stock markets could fall by up to 20% and oil could slump to $16 a barrel, economists at the Royal Bank of Scotland have warned.

In a note to its clients the bank said: “Sell everything except high quality bonds. This is about return of capital, not return on capital. In a crowded hall, exit doors are small.” It said the current situation was reminiscent of 2008, when the collapse of the Lehman Brothers investment bank led to the global financial crisis. This time China could be the crisis point.

Stock markets have already come under severe pressure in 2016, with the FTSE 100 down more than 5% in its worst start since 2000. In the US, the Dow Jones industrial average has made its poorest ever start to a year.

Oil prices have also fallen sharply on fears of lower demand and a supply glut, especially with Iran due to start exporting once more when sanctions are lifted. Tensions between Iran and Saudia Arabia make it less likely that Opec can agree to cut production to halt the slide in prices. Brent crude is down another 1% at $31.18, its lowest level since April 2004.

Investors have been spooked by fears of a severe slowdown in the Chinese economy and a fall in the value of the yuan, not helped by a crash in the country’s stock market despite attempts by the country’s authorities to curtail selling.

Andrew Roberts, RBS’s credit chief, said: “China has set off a major correction and it is going to snowball. Equities and credit have become very dangerous, and we have hardly even begun to retrace the ‘Goldilocks love-in’ of the last two years.”

Markets have been supported for some time by low interest rates, stimulus measures from central banks including quantitative easing, and hopes of economic recovery. But with the Federal Reserve raising rates and the Bank of England expected to follow suit, that prop is being removed.

Roberts said European and US markets could fall by 10% to 20%, with the FTSE 100 particularly at risk due to the predominance of commodity companies in the UK index. “London is vulnerable to a negative shock. All these people who are long [buyers of] oil and mining companies thinking that the dividends are safe are going to discover that they’re not at all safe.

“We suspect 2016 will be characterised by more focus on how the exiting occurs of positions in the three main asset classes that benefited from quantitative easing: 1) emerging markets, 2) credit, 3) equities … Risks are high.”

RBS is not the only negative voice at the moment. Analysts at JP Morgan have advised clients to sell stocks on any bounce.

Morgan Stanley has said oil could fall to $20 a barrel, while Standard Chartered has predicted an even bigger slide, to as low as $10. Standard said: “Given that no fundamental relationship is currently driving the oil market towards any equilibrium, prices are being moved almost entirely by financial flows caused by fluctuations in other asset prices, including the US dollar and equity markets.

“We think prices could fall as low as $10 a barrel before most of the money managers in the market conceded that matters had gone too far.”

[Surreypostie]

We were given them, I'll hang onto them. Don't want to be flogging them off cheap to all the banks who will make a killing on them when they go up again.

[toomuchcoke]

We were given them, I'll hang onto them. Don't want to be flogging them off cheap to all the banks who will make a killing on them when they go up again.

Also keeping them ... Use the dividends to increase the amount of shares in other companies I can buy, thus leading to more dividends from them, thus leading to even more share purchases. Repeat until retirement, then live partially off all those dividends.

[datasaint]

If the economy is slowing that has a knock-on effect on RM as there's fewer people buying items, so fewer packets, so less turnover, less profit, smaller dividends.

Basically in times of bust everybody suffers,

[Surreypostie]

If the economy is slowing that has a knock-on effect on RM as there's fewer people buying items, so fewer packets, so less turnover, less profit, smaller dividends.

Basically in times of bust everybody suffers,

True, we didn't have to buy them though, not directly anyway, so should the company go down the lavatory I won't be loosing anything.

[wandle]

If the economy is slowing that has a knock-on effect on RM as there's fewer people buying items, so fewer packets, so less turnover, less profit, smaller dividends.

Basically in times of bust everybody suffers,

Or the counter-argument is that people spend less on going out, and more on staying in, and buy MORE dvds, games, etc, so...