working a 7 day week

[wannabeek]

And that's why the WTD etc were introduced; to save people like you from exploitation by unscrupulous firms. Then again, unless someone is doing the most menial tasks, working 12+ hours a day every day doesn't lead to quality work, anyway.
Funny about the "old age" thing though. When posties could clock up amazing amounts of docket, it was the same old faces doing it, and the same old faces did it until the day they retired. Just grabbing, really.

Ok. So maybe as you say I'm an exploited grabber with low quality work. I still intend to retire very early tho. I suppose you expect me to spend those years crippled from working hard in my earlier years. Maybe so. Let's catch up in another decade or 2 and exchange ailment tales?

[datasaint]

If you were working over 80 hours per week then the firm and you were denying some other poor sod a job. They were letting you work yourself to death to save paying another employee's worth of NI etc. Wrong on so many levels..

If people volunteer to work that many hours let them. It makes no difference if 4 people claim 10 hours OT in a week or 1 person claims 40. Ultimately RM call the shots and currently they know paying out docket in the heavy months oct-jan is preferable to employing somebody across 12 months a year.

My view is if RM want to be 100% above board with work time regulations and stop ghosting bring in clocking in/out cards, but the reality doesn't fit that.

[aiden01]

So just to clarify can you do ot without an 11hr break between duty and ot whether its 1 hr or 11hrs

[Tman]

If people volunteer to work that many hours let them. It makes no difference if 4 people claim 10 hours OT in a week or 1 person claims 40. Ultimately RM call the shots and currently they know paying out docket in the heavy months oct-jan is preferable to employing somebody across 12 months a year.

Doesn't make it right whichever way you want to divide it, as it's enough hours to employ another person.Anyway, it wasn't RM he was working for.

My view is if RM want to be 100% above board with work time regulations and stop ghosting bring in clocking in/out cards, but the reality doesn't fit that.

I'm guessing you've never punched the clock then? Only someone who never has would ever call for that as a solution for anything. Sledge hammer and nuts spring to mind here.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

So just to clarify can you do ot without an 11hr break between duty and ot whether its 1 hr or 11hrs

again as long as it's completely voluntary then legally yes

[aiden01]

So just to clarify can you do ot without an 11hr break between duty and ot whether its 1 hr or 11hrs

again as long as it's completely voluntary then legally yes

thank you

[Martin Walsh]

No since 2003 you are meant to have a 11 hour minuimn rest period. If you look on the Downloads under the Way Forward and then look at the section the Working Time Directive Agreement this will inform you of the rest periods per day and per week. It also details the actions if you breach the rest periods.

As I wrote earlier Royal Mail have conducted some audits and found evidence in some units of the 70 hour cap being broken , minuimn rest periods not being taken and minuimn 48 rest every two weeks not being taken. They want to introduce action plans for those units who are in breach of the WTD and ensure the management team keep to the WTD which is a legal and implied contractual requirement.

We have already seen two of this audits carried within London by Price house cooper and HR and the units have been stopped.

[wannabeek]

Opinion is clearly divided on the answer to your question. Some would say it's all Ok so long as it is voluntary. That is not my experience. So far as I am aware and from direct experience, if the company you work for is complying with European law then it is definitely not allowed. You won't go to jail for it but most reputable companies will not allow you to do it.