Any thoughts and suggestions on this.
Friday 09.10.2015. My day off. Management asked me to come in and assist with the deployment of SPS. For this I would be paid 7hrs 48mins o/t even though I would be expected to work an 8hr 3mins day. Not a problem as if I work o/t on Monday, Tuesday or Saturday i'll get paid the same for a 7hr 33mins day.
So far so good.
I work indoors and my time is fully covered by my work and meal relief.
My day cover started my duty at 06.30 am. His finishing time is 14.33 pm. An 8hr 3mins day.
He had a 40 minute meal relief with a manager at approximately 10.00 am.
At about 13.20 pm he informed me that he was going home as he needed a lift and somebody who lived near him was leaving as he had finished for the day. He couldn't take a van home, which is normal practice in my office, as he was on a long weekend.
He then informed me that he would not be able to print off the labels for the surcharge and customs charge items or do the dead letters associated with my duty. This amounted to at least an hours work. He then informed me that the manager that he had a break with said it would be OK.
I raised this with the manager the next day (he had already gone home the day before) which promptly caused an argument when I mentioned abandonment of duty. I'm thinking of raising this with the DSM and maybe even B & H as this is now an everyday occurrence when the indoor duties are covered by a particular member of staff.
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Abandonment of duty ?
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
so to clarify someone else is basically going home early and leaving work, and you want to get him charged with abandonment of duty and raise a bullying and harassment claim?
what exactly does the bullying and harassment amount to?
Are you able to complete your duty in your time?
what exactly does the bullying and harassment amount to?
Are you able to complete your duty in your time?
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Spy
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
As stated. My duty is full. I start at my correct time and leave at my correct time. And never leave any work unless it is impossible to complete within my time.zx135 wrote:so to clarify someone else is basically going home early and leaving work, and you want to get him charged with abandonment of duty and raise a bullying and harassment claim?
what exactly does the bullying and harassment amount to?
Are you able to complete your duty in your time?
To clarify:
A manager allowed my duty cover to go home in excess of 1 hour before their duty time for no good reason. My duty cover failed to complete my duty because of this.
How is this not abandonment of duty either by my cover or by the manager who allowed him to leave. Maybe I should just leave work when I need a haircut or I when I need to visit Tesco ?
As regards B & H. If you are not able to complete your duty because of unreasonable workload demands, this falls under this umbrella. As I said, this is an on-going issue. And raising a grievance is pointless. This procedure was created for managers only.
Just for the record. Overtime was paid to clear the work that was not done.
Maybe i'm reading too much into this, but surely this cannot be right ?
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DGP1
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
Someone got paid to do the work so leave it at that, people need to concentrate on their own work and not worry about others.
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Spy
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Good point DGP.DGP1 wrote:Someone got paid to do the work so leave it at that, people need to concentrate on their own work and not worry about others.
The problem lies though if the work cannot be done. Or if it goes on for so long it becomes the norm.
It was my work though, that was left. And if I left early, thereby failing, I would have been suspended, probably sacked.
I'm not blaming my cover, as he had credence to leave. But it's not the first time this has happened.
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aiden01
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
agree look after your own back in this job too many people are grassing their colleagues upDGP1 wrote:Someone got paid to do the work so leave it at that, people need to concentrate on their own work and not worry about others.
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Spy
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You can only " grass your colleagues up " if the managers are not aware of any misdemeanours.aiden01 wrote:agree look after your own back in this job too many people are grassing their colleagues upDGP1 wrote:Someone got paid to do the work so leave it at that, people need to concentrate on their own work and not worry about others.![]()
Unfortunately, there appears to be more white collar workers wearing blue shirts than ever before. And they're the ones doing the grassing.
How many more are going to sell out ?
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meercat
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
Yes. 'Abandonment of duty' is a charge that a manager can raise against an OPG. You can't raise it unless you are a manager yourself so forget about that aspect.Spy wrote:Any thoughts and suggestions on this.
Gather evidence, make diary entries then put in a grievance. It is your one and only option and it will be investigated. If you have hard evidence things will happen. Area RM managers have a lot to gain from investigating and uncovering wrongdoing/fraud. They will get brownie points so you are wrong to think nothing will happen. From what you say this OPG is in a cosy relationship with the manager and going home early leaving work regularly? That's not on. I think your office managers will investigate first but this one should be passed on to area level as it's a conflict of interests case.
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The_Wax_Man
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
Yes but people do get fed up with those colleagues who are slackers causing everyone else to pick up the pieces.aiden01 wrote:agree look after your own back in this job too many people are grassing their colleagues upDGP1 wrote:Someone got paid to do the work so leave it at that, people need to concentrate on their own work and not worry about others.![]()
If everyone in RM actually did a 'fair hours work for a fair hours pay' believe me, it would run like a well oiled machine.
Everyone has a point when it comes to 'enough is enough'.
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bogstandard
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
Why not do what your cover did. This is ok as your cover is allowed to do it. You don't want to be treated any better or worse, just the same. We wouldn't want our managers highlighted to their superiors via the grievance procedure that they favour one worker over everybody else or discriminating against one worker compared to everybody else
It is either you do what your cover does or your cover does what you do, one of these must be right. Speak to the manager and let them decide, after all it's their future.
It is either you do what your cover does or your cover does what you do, one of these must be right. Speak to the manager and let them decide, after all it's their future.
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Spy
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Re: Abandonment of duty ?
Watch this space. I'm fed up with having the piss taken out of me.bogstandard wrote:Why not do what your cover did. This is ok as your cover is allowed to do it. You don't want to be treated any better or worse, just the same. We wouldn't want our managers highlighted to their superiors via the grievance procedure that they favour one worker over everybody else or discriminating against one worker compared to everybody else
It is either you do what your cover does or your cover does what you do, one of these must be right. Speak to the manager and let them decide, after all it's their future.
I'll update as and when I can.
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jetblack
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Good luck mate - I know exactly where you are coming from.Spy wrote:Watch this space. I'm fed up with having the piss taken out of me.bogstandard wrote:Why not do what your cover did. This is ok as your cover is allowed to do it. You don't want to be treated any better or worse, just the same. We wouldn't want our managers highlighted to their superiors via the grievance procedure that they favour one worker over everybody else or discriminating against one worker compared to everybody else
It is either you do what your cover does or your cover does what you do, one of these must be right. Speak to the manager and let them decide, after all it's their future.
I'll update as and when I can.
I can only echo what was said in a previous post - basically, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
The manager needs to be seen to be consistent and impartial. And if they are not then someone, somewhere is being shafted.
ps. the "grassing up" charge is crap - if the manager were doing their job correctly then there would be no need to complain to them about anything. If pointing out to a manager that their practices are inconsistent and discriminatory, is what is known as "grassing up" these days, then so be it. Cos your only other option is to bend over and take it.
Grassing up LOL - some people have been watching too much telly
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