Boxing day off day in lieu?

[rambo1]

Ok I'm long weekend off xmas. I'll get b/h Monday back but do I get the sat (actual boxing day) back if as I think it is, a non work day for everyone else too? Seems grossly unfair if I don't.

[Martin Walsh]

No you don't. If Ofcom grant the non service day than it is exactly that a non service day where if you were due to work you don't have to but you also don't get a credit for either. Dont think too bad as years ago we had to work the hours we would normally have worked on the non service day on the other days of the week what was known as claw back.

[rambo1]

You obviously aren't due to be Saturday off that week then if you don't think it's too bad! You maybe would if you were losing £80. My time is money, I'm losing a day off, I'm losing £80! FAIR? I think not!

[Martin Walsh]

Most Postal works who are scheduled to work that Saturday will now get paid a their full contracted hours even thou they will not working their hours for the Saturday 26th December. In your case because it fall on your long weekend you will only get a credit for the Bank Holiday Monday but you will still have Saturday off. Almost every other year you only get a credit for Christmas and Boxing Day so your not really losing anything.

Royal Mail have called a non service day as they have done on every single occasion when the 26th December falls on the Saturday. A non service day means no one is due to work full stop. No credits. Until 7 years ago when the CWU got the agreement of no claw back of hours we had to work the hours we would have worked on the non service day on the remaining days at work to ensure that you have worked all your contracted hours for that week.

It is I understand not an helpful decision but if Royal Mail had to work the 26th December than network drivers would have to work Christmas Day and night to move the mail around the UK and mail centres and collection staff would have to collect and work later on christmas eve to process and collect the mails and our CSS workers would have to come in on christmas night to get the work sequenced so that is the reason we have always had a non service day when boxing day falls on the 26th December.

[maximus12]

Does this mean they can give all reserves the saturday as our day off?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Does this mean they can give all reserves the saturday as our day off?

Theoritcally - yes.

But my unit wouldn't accept it, I hope yours won't.

[rambo1]

So you wouldn't accept your reserves to be scheduled the sat off but it's ok for those already on sat off? Double standards! So a workmate whose day off is Xmas eve gets three days off that week , while I get two, on the same pay. As I said, grossly unfair, how can the so called union think this is right.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

but it's ok for those already on sat off

Did I say that, well did I. Just because I posted something does not mean I agree with it, unless I say I do.

You are getting mad at me and the Union when neither I or the CWU have nothing to do with it.

If it upsets you so much then start doing something about it instead of getting angry on here.

[El-Bandito]

So you wouldn't accept your reserves to be scheduled the sat off but it's ok for those already on sat off? Double standards! So a workmate whose day off is Xmas eve gets three days off that week , while I get two, on the same pay. As I said, grossly unfair, how can the so called union think this is right.

it's the office managers decision not the unions.
Oh and Merry Christmas.

[Pinky 1]

You obviously aren't due to be Saturday off that week then if you don't think it's too bad! You maybe would if you were losing £80. My time is money, I'm losing a day off, I'm losing £80! FAIR? I think not!

You're not losing a day off or £80, you are still getting the rest day. It's just that you're colleagues are gaining a day off.
As for blaming the union for this on another thread, I think it's better that 1 in 6 of us lose nothing and the other 5 gain a day off. It's got to be better than all of us having to make up the hours through a 'claw back ' arrangement which has happened in previous years.

By the way, it's also my long weekend.........

[rambo1]

Both me and you are losing a day off compared to the lucky ones who are not sat off that week. Fact. Since working a day off gains around £80, losing a day off has the same equal and opposite effect. Ok they're not taking the money off me but time is money, if you can't see my point there then I give up. As for being a sacrificial lamb so 1 in 6 work colleagues can have an extra free day off, well if you think that is fair,..... Again I just give up. BTW I'm not getting mad, just pointing out the injustices of it all. My last words on the subject.

[korky]

Both me and you are losing a day off compared to the lucky ones who are not sat off that week. Fact. Since working a day off gains around £80, losing a day off has the same equal and opposite effect. Ok they're not taking the money off me but time is money, if you can't see my point there then I give up. As for being a sacrificial lamb so 1 in 6 work colleagues can have an extra free day off, well if you think that is fair,..... Again I just give up. BTW I'm not getting mad, just pointing out the injustices of it all. My last words on the subject.

nobody loses here, just some won't get a freeby.
I'm guessing many offices will pull the "you get a free day off saturday so you can do extra hours without booking this week" which will be agreed by the union rep, whether he knows about it or not.
in that case you wouldn't be required to work any extra,
and I'm 100% certain that every reserve in our d/o will get their 1st sat/mon off of the year

[Martin Walsh]

Rambo if you worked in a factory or a shop and the business decided that there is no point opening because a lack of business on the 26th December which is this year a Bank Holiday than do you think that the factory owner , company or employer is going to pay a credit and most circumstances they would either pay less hours for that week or ask them to come and work their extra hours on other days.

There are a lot of things you may be critical off the union on but demanding a bank holiday credit for the 26th when it is not a bank holiday and now that we are a footsie 100 company and will fully privistised by April is not one. This industry is changing beyond our very eyes and this is not just about absorption or bullying in the workplace but :

The increase of delivery office relocations mergers to sweat the assists

Demands from offcom on efficiency especially the reason why offices within postcodes have different efficiency levels.

All paid for hours to be worked resourcing to workload. The New PDA's will record everyone finish time and with every 30 seconds send the longitude and latitude of the delivery post person to ensure all hours are worked.

One pass which will mean work will arrive later into your office as there will be no wave 1 meaning later starts , reductions in duty patterns

Royal Mail have just stated that all new recruits must be on a 20 hour contract 4 days only Weds to Sat and on Monday and Tuesdsy their duty will be absorbed in the office.

Of com are also reviewing changed to the 6 days USO service to ensure Royal Mail address efficiency

Plus there is pension black hole which Royal Mail should be paying 30% to safeguard our pensions but are paying around 17% and are saying no footsie 100 company will pay more !

These are the real threats to our futures not 26th December or absorption which the national agreement clearly says that you should only be absorbing if you have spare capacity within your duty to do not to make you work past your finished times.

On the 26th December there is no requirement to claw back hours and therefore if a union rep says otherwise why don't you say as a union within the workplace we are not having it and flag it up. As I know in the area I cover there won't be any claw back why ? Cause people back each other and would not allow anyone to be picked on or bullied without a reaction which is what being in a union is about. We don't wait for 150 the Broadway to do something first we make sure that we stop any wrong doings !

[motherhubbard]

One pass which will mean work will arrive later into your office as there will be no wave 1 meaning later starts , reductions in duty patterns

So is this still just an idea or will it be a reality?
Reductions in duty patterns and a massive reduction in ft posts.

[rambo1]

Had a word at work today. Yes anyone with a scheduled day off falling on 26th Dec, WILL get a day back in lieu for it.