Prep'ing D2D's

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Wrong

Stop being childish and expound on your denial, you may be right but at least be grown uo about it and explain why you think we are wrong. If not your credibility will undoubetdly suffer.

[Bishbashbbosh]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

[BarnsleyLackey]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

You get it on weeks without D2Ds, also when on holiday and sick, so it can't really be for delivery of D2Ds.

In ours, everyone does their own, since different people have different strategies for getting shut of them: loop per day, column on each fitting per day, don't bother on Tuesday as it's usually light etc.

[Bishbashbbosh]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

You get it on weeks without D2Ds, also when on holiday and sick, so it can't really be for delivery of D2Ds.

In ours, everyone does their own, since different people have different strategies for getting shut of them: loop per day, column on each fitting per day, don't bother on Tuesday as it's usually light etc.

You don't exactly work in a DO when your on A/L or sick either though do you?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

You get it on weeks without D2Ds, also when on holiday and sick, so it can't really be for delivery of D2Ds.

In ours, everyone does their own, since different people have different strategies for getting shut of them: loop per day, column on each fitting per day, don't bother on Tuesday as it's usually light etc.

You don't exactly work in a DO when your on A/L or sick either though do you?

No but you do get contracted pay in those circumstances, even when not working. So its contracted pay, not a specific piece rate or extra supplement for delivering D2Ds, if it was then why would Locker staff, Callers office and Bookroom staff get the full rate based on their contract hours, and why do Part Time staff not get the same as Full Time staff.

You may think or even believe its for D2Ds, but you can't prove it. We beleive its for working in a Delivery Function nothing else, and we have proof.

Page 21 of Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond A National Agreement between Royal Mail & the Communication Workers’ Union http://www.cwu.org/assets/_files/docume ... -_2010.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To coincide with the introduction of the national agreement unit payments will cease and the 3 items per week cap will be removed. D2D Monies will be turned into a delivery supplement paid 52 weeks a year for all delivery employees (OPG and ORR) pro rata for part time employees

[Bishbashbbosh]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

You get it on weeks without D2Ds, also when on holiday and sick, so it can't really be for delivery of D2Ds.

In ours, everyone does their own, since different people have different strategies for getting shut of them: loop per day, column on each fitting per day, don't bother on Tuesday as it's usually light etc.

You don't exactly work in a DO when your on A/L or sick either though do you?

No but you do get contracted pay in those circumstances, even when not working. So its contracted pay, not a specific piece rate or extra supplement for delivering D2Ds, if it was then why would Locker staff, Callers office and Bookroom staff get the full rate based on their contract hours, and why do Part Time staff not get the same as Full Time staff.

You may think or even believe its for D2Ds, but you can't prove it. We beleive its for working in a Delivery Function nothing else, and we have proof.

Page 21 of Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond A National Agreement between Royal Mail & the Communication Workers’ Union http://www.cwu.org/assets/_files/docume ... -_2010.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

To coincide with the introduction of the national agreement unit payments will cease and the 3 items per week cap will be removed. D2D Monies will be turned into a delivery supplement paid 52 weeks a year for all delivery employees (OPG and ORR) pro rata for part time employees

The way that reads to me is that delivery supplement is a direct substitute for D2D monies... Which is essentially what I am trying to say. I think this shows more proof for what I am trying to say. It says nothing about it being for working in a DO

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

The way that reads to me is that delivery supplement is a direct substitute for D2D monies... Which is essentially what I am trying to say. I think this shows more proof for what I am trying to say. It says nothing about it being for working in a DO

What you said was that the full timers should be prepping the d2ds as the pt only get a pro rata payment

You. They only get pro-data payment

The money for the delivery supplement came from the monies used to pay for part of the early shift allowance and the d2d contracts, this then went into a pot and the new supplement for delivery officers was created, it is paid to all workers who work in a delivery office regardless of whether they touch d2d or not, the amount received has nothing what so ever to do with how much d2d work they do, as pointed out callers office staff firms drivers and anyone who has a opg grade attached to a delivery office recieve it, just because the money came from the money previously used to pay for d2d delivery does not make it money for delivering d2d

so saying that pt staff shouldnt prep the d2d as they are only getting a pro rata payment for the d2d is completely incorrect as no one gets any payment for delivering d2d as they are now part of normal workload.

here is a little bit more about the supplement from the bt2010 agreement

It has been agreed to cease and incorporate the total value of these payments (£52m Door to Door, and £40m delivery early shift allowance and grandfather rights) into a new permanent (non-pensionable) supplement to basic pay. This is payable to all delivery office employees directly tagged to and working in the delivery function.

[BarnsleyLackey]

Well am I wrong in thinking the delivery supplement was an agreement as part of a deal for not getting D2dD payments per contract. Hence why it is basically a D2D supplement

You get it on weeks without D2Ds, also when on holiday and sick, so it can't really be for delivery of D2Ds.

In ours, everyone does their own, since different people have different strategies for getting shut of them: loop per day, column on each fitting per day, don't bother on Tuesday as it's usually light etc.

You don't exactly work in a DO when your on A/L or sick either though do you?

That's what I'm saying: You get the supplement when you're not delivering door to doors.

[Burghboy]

Am contracted for 23.20 hours i work full time or just about full time most weeks sometimes more. I never get paid more than the pro rata am contracted for, am getting screwed for not having a full time contract. If am on a full time duty should I just do a bit over half the d2ds? That's all am paid to do!

[Bishbashbbosh]

Am contracted for 23.20 hours i work full time or just about full time most weeks sometimes more. I never get paid more than the pro rata am contracted for, am getting screwed for not having a full time contract. If am on a full time duty should I just do a bit over half the d2ds? That's all am paid to do!

No, if you are on a full time duty, you are also working in a delivery office full time, you still get it pro-rata though.

On another note, the original point was that part-timers should not have to throw in D2D's. It is the job of whoever of throwing out the duty

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Am contracted for 23.20 hours i work full time or just about full time most weeks sometimes more. I never get paid more than the pro rata am contracted for, am getting screwed for not having a full time contract. If am on a full time duty should I just do a bit over half the d2ds? That's all am paid to do!

For any overtime you do above your contracted hours and less than 39 hours total, you should be seeing an overtime rate of "SSPR" on your wageslip (the week following the overtime done).

SSPR gives part-timers a pay rate that gives them proportionally more Delivery Supplement for their overtime. This is why SSPR is better than the overtime rate a full-timer gets for overtime.

A part-timer who does enough overtime to do 39 hours total should have the same gross pay as a full-timer doing 39 hours, including Delivery Supplement.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Am contracted for 23.20 hours i work full time or just about full time most weeks sometimes more. I never get paid more than the pro rata am contracted for, am getting screwed for not having a full time contract. If am on a full time duty should I just do a bit over half the d2ds? That's all am paid to do!

No you should deliver them all because if you do the full 39 hours you are being paid EXACTLY the same as a Full Timer. When you go over your contracted hours you get SSPR which is slightly (around 50-60p) higher than the basic rate of pay to take into account the extra Delivery Supplement you are entitled to.

SSPR = Supplement + Standard Pay Rate.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Am contracted for 23.20 hours i work full time or just about full time most weeks sometimes more. I never get paid more than the pro rata am contracted for, am getting screwed for not having a full time contract. If am on a full time duty should I just do a bit over half the d2ds? That's all am paid to do!

No, if you are on a full time duty, you are also working in a delivery office full time, you still get it pro-rata though.

On another note, the original point was that part-timers should not have to throw in D2D's. It is the job of whoever of throwing out the duty

Nope - its the job of whoever the manager instructs to do it. That can be verbally, custom and practice or locally agreed procedures. The key point is that every office and every duty is different, and in consequence there is no overarching definitive way to prep D2Ds, or even letters and packets. Anyone who believes there is may be in for a rude awakening.

[Bishbashbbosh]

I bow down to you superiority TBT... But I'm afraid your going on my foes list