election 2015

[pinstripe]

wrong, labour are as left wing as it gets! they even admit it themselves lol, look at the news!
ukip got about half of the votes labour got,they are a party on the rise & many people who wanted to vote ukip voted tory just to keep labour out, but as time goes on ukip's growth will force the things millions want- a vote on in or out of the toxic eu, much lower immigration to a country that cannot cope with its growing population which by all reports will continue to boom.

The Labour Party are not left wing enough. They are no where near left wing. Oh, they're left of UKIP, but then so are the Tories. If you want to see what left wing looks like in the 21st Century, look at the SNP. I might not agree with all their policies, but I wish we had a party like that here.

[fishtank]

Halfull, you're far too young to know what's ruined this country, go away and do some research particularly about the state the country was in while you were still in short trousers and if you're not too keen on Europe try to find out who took us in there, who signed us up to the "open borders" treaty and while you're there find out how much Farage has suckled at the EU teat for the last 10 years.

Politics didn't begin in 1997 mate. If you think that Labour are a party of the left wing you need to get out more and stop reading the same comics.

[borders]

amen to that Fishtank , no idea ......

[Tman]

What you both seem to be missing is that young as he appears to be, his views seem to be those of many of his age (at least, the ones who show any interest in politics).
The deluded few students who think the Greens offer anything aside, the concensus seems to be the Labour are a party who are run by poorly educated old union men/ex-public school boys and bombed the sh*t out of Iraq, Afghanistan etc for no good reason, plus let another 5 million immigrants in.
Then again many older people seem to think much the same....

[borders]

its been a long time Tman since you felt the need to post a reply after one of my posts. is your last sentence a description of your good self ??

[halfull]

What you both seem to be missing is that young as he appears to be, his views seem to be those of many of his age (at least, the ones who show any interest in politics).
The deluded few students who think the Greens offer anything aside, the concensus seems to be the Labour are a party who are run by poorly educated old union men/ex-public school boys and bombed the sh*t out of Iraq, Afghanistan etc for no good reason, plus let another 5 million immigrants in.
Then again many older people seem to think much the same....

correct.

[halfull]

Halfull, you're far too young to know what's ruined this country, go away and do some research particularly about the state the country was in while you were still in short trousers and if you're not too keen on Europe try to find out who took us in there, who signed us up to the "open borders" treaty and while you're there find out how much Farage has suckled at the EU teat for the last 10 years.

Politics didn't begin in 1997 mate. If you think that Labour are a party of the left wing you need to get out more and stop reading the same comics.

Incorrect.
labour are finished.

[dvbuk55]

Hi Halfull,
Have you ever been a Labour voter? (and I don't suppose you work in a London Do )

no,never! by the time i could vote tony blair was well into his wrecking of the country then we had gordon brown & mandelson putting the iceing on the cake!
And no, im nowhere near london, infact ive never been there!

What! You've never been to the capital of the world, the hub of the CWU, where all major decisions are taken, where the pay scale is altered to accommodate expensive tastes - like movie galas, west end plays and musicals - tut tut - I've been many times - I can hardly wait to go back there

[fishtank]

Things are never just correct or incorrect halfull, that's something you'll learn as you get older, the real left is probably dead in England and has been for at least 30 years, what you have.now are two centre parties fighting for the same voter base with a middle-class guilt party ( Lib-Dem) and a loony right party (UKIP) adding the comic relief.

The upside for English voters is that you can vote for who you like, it won't make the slightest difference in the long run. Immigration will continue to grow, profit will drive everything and the poorest will continue to get poorer in relation to the richest.

[Tman]

The upside for UK voters is that you can vote for who you like, it won't make the slightest difference in the long run. Immigration will continue to grow, profit will drive everything and the poorest will continue to get poorer in relation to the richest.

[fishtank]

Well Tman I kind of like the difference an SNP government has made in Scotland, it's by no means perfect and it's still too early to determine if their policies are sustainable in the long run but it does feel like a better place to live in than it did under Tory/Labour rule.

[halfull]

Things are never just correct or incorrect halfull, that's something you'll learn as you get older, the real left is probably dead in England and has been for at least 30 years, what you have.now are two centre parties fighting for the same voter base with a middle-class guilt party ( Lib-Dem) and a loony right party (UKIP) adding the comic relief.

The upside for English voters is that you can vote for who you like, it won't make the slightest difference in the long run. Immigration will continue to grow, profit will drive everything and the poorest will continue to get poorer in relation to the richest.

incorrect.
If we get out of the eu,which we will, Immigration will fall by huge numbers.

[chrisj]

David Miliband has come out to critcise his brother (& Gordon Brown): fair enough, he could not have been that vocal without people thinking he was trying to take over from his brother; and that would have been even messier for Labour (some rightfully trying to move away from New Labour) and for the Miliband family.

The problem for me is that David Miliband could have toppled Gordon Brown when he had a very good chance of being elected as leader prior to the first election that Cameron won. He was chicken and non-commital one way or the other, and this did not help his leadership contest.

The other thing also was that at the time of the leadership election, he did not say sorry for some of the things that the Blair administration got wrong; especially with the public spending, lack of proper regulation of the financial sector, Iraq war, and most importantly open mass immigration for new EU countries without restrictions and easy access to social security.

He would and should have won against his brother (and Ed should not have contested against his brother because as it turned out, he was not cut out for the job - he could not explain himself and was too academic in his outlook (and fancy forgetting to talk about the budget deficit in his big party conference speech - not good!). He was also not charismatic or presentable enough - the days when some like Winston Churchill can lead this country is gone - we are not now celebrity and beauty obsessed (Kinnock also stood no chance on looks alone and John Major & Brown scraped in on the back of successful leaders and they were torn to pieces by the press and satirists.

David Miliband would have been more centre and look after the aspirational and rich (as he puts it) but that will be just like the Tories without the 'perceived' nastiness and he would have been in coalition with the Lib Dems - that will not have been easy.

Moreover, if he was going to be just like the Tories but tainted with Labour's past of overspending (that letter of 'no money left' will not have helped him either); he would not have been able to win a majority because the Tories are doing well enough as it is. So he might have won but he would also have had the issue of going into a pact with the SNP... The whole thing will have been an unholy mess with either of the Milibands.

Labour just need to sit things out for the next 10 years and then find a photogenic leader and smooth talker who can take things forward; the Tories will mess things up and go overboard in the end and the folks will want a change... EU Referendum will be the start and the ideological drive to get a budget surplus will hurt more and more people and who knows how many scandals we can expect?

[mickeymacca]

Hi Halfull,
Have you ever been a Labour voter? (and I don't suppose you work in a London Do )

no,never! by the time i could vote tony blair was well into his wrecking of the country then we had gordon brown & mandelson putting the iceing on the cake!
And no, im nowhere near london, infact ive never been there!

What! You've never been to the capital of the world, the hub of the CWU, where all major decisions are taken, where the pay scale is altered to accommodate expensive tastes - like movie galas, west end plays and musicals - tut tut - I've been many times - I can hardly wait to go back there

The London question was n't loaded it was just that I am looking to move there and wanted a bit of advice. See your ex RM now DVB hope your are having nice rest.

Halfull, I can appreciate that if you have really only being conscience of the political scene since the beginining of the Blair years, you feel a little disenchanted with the Labour Party (many Labour supporters do too). I only returned to them at this election (voted Lib Dems for the last 2) part of the appeal, which is very hypocritical of me, was the stance that the Murdoch papers took on Miliband. The tax changes to Non dom status was a morally correct policy if not fully practical, and the end to austerity also attracted my vote.

Unfortunately the bloke that holds more sway and to some extent is the king maker, Murdoch was the bloke that Miliband was n't afraid to take on. Funny we rememeber that Liam Byrne note now (that is being milked to death now to be honest.....move on) but we seem to have forgotten the phone hacking scandal and the bloke that was behind it, who is still being kow-towed too by the other leaders. At least Miliband had the moral compass to stand up to him, and if that was part of his downfall then he lost with dignity. But I think a large proportion of the electorate vote on personality and not on policy....shame really

ramble over

[dvbuk55]

But I think a large proportion of the electorate vote on personality and not on policy....shame really

There has to be a certain charisma, Blair had it, Cameron has it but Ed Miliband doesn't although his brother does to a certain extent. I lost any respect I had for David Miliband when he spit the dummy out after the leadership election instead of helping and perhaps guiding his brother on to a path more electable. TBH with the damage that the SNP did to the Labour vote and UKIP in the UK I doubt Labour will ever be in power again in my lifetime.