the sickest part about all this

kanuuuuuu · Post by **kanuuuuuu** » 14 Oct 2007, 16:29

...is that most of this distruption is because of Postcomm the ones supposedly making the service better for the public. If it wasnt for them laying down the law and FORCING RM into doing others peoples work through DSA then the company would be able to offer its workers a fair deal and there wouldnt have been strikes.

You hear all comments in the public about how great all these other companies are and that businesses will use them instead. This is disgusting considering we`re the ones doing their work and delivering on the most expensive part of the chain. How can an industry be "opened up" yet have one company playing under different rules than its competitors ? its total bullsh*t.

Maybe we should strike by refusing to deliver any mail other than Royal Mails "own", it would bring light to the situation to the public and would shaft the other companies big time.

Mr Blonde · Post by **Mr Blonde** » 14 Oct 2007, 16:33

I agree on that, it's a good point. The ironic thing is that the public wouldn't miss the stuff that we won't handle because it's mostly shite!

somerset · Post by **somerset** » 14 Oct 2007, 16:44

Maybe we should strike by refusing to deliver any mail other than Royal Mails "own", it would bring light to the situation to the public and would shaft the other companies big time.[/quote]

If i did that i would be home and finished by nine every morning. It is not competion at all. They cherry pick the contracts. Sort it to mail centres. Then us daft sods deliver the final mile for them. Competion to me is = you want the contracts. you deliver the final mile.

kanuuuuuu · Post by **kanuuuuuu** » 14 Oct 2007, 16:52

Im not sure why the likes of Crozier arent fighting this as much as they are their own staff. How can they accept losing money on processing a competitors mail then claim that they want this company to be run profitably ?

Deadmail · Post by **Deadmail** » 14 Oct 2007, 16:53

Postcomm just like the Government are only interested in sucking up to private enterprise and big business. The service delivered to the public is in reality of little concern to them.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 14 Oct 2007, 17:02

kanuuuuuu wrote:Im not sure why the likes of Crozier arent fighting this as much as they are their own staff. How can they accept losing money on processing a competitors mail then claim that they want this company to be run profitably ?

Maybe they will get nice big share option's along whith the goverment!.

kanuuuuuu · Post by **kanuuuuuu** » 14 Oct 2007, 17:03

more than likely

tommymac · Post by **tommymac** » 14 Oct 2007, 17:03

kanuuuuuu wrote:...is that most of this disruption is because of Postcomm the ones supposedly making the service better for the public. If it wasnt for them laying down the law and FORCING RM into doing others peoples work through DSA then the company would be able to offer its workers a fair deal and there would have been strikes.

What is really sad if the fact Mr Leighton signed to accept DSA. I'm not sure if he thought it was a good idea or of it was to keep himself in the job.

.I suspect the latter.

Ex RM Manager · Post by **Ex RM Manager** » 14 Oct 2007, 18:17

That's what I think the strikes should have been - a refusal to deliver the competitors mail. We lose money on those deliveries as the price - which I believe were SET BY POSTCOMM - is below the cost of the Final Mile, and PostComm know it. As we know, people can agree to things they don't want to happen, because the alternatives are even less preferable.

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 14 Oct 2007, 22:42

A screw giving advice on how a STRIKE should of been handled... HAHAHAHAHHA!!!

Next your be saying how to fiddle the dockets like screws fiddle the traveling monies!! (ive heard)...

So you and your MSA so called union....? So why couldnt you lot of screws STRIKE over these issues then ????

Unless you were to busy counting your bonuses and offers of bungs and a chance to scratch a few backs and slide up the greasy poll of arse-lick-management..???

U crack me um EX RM SCREW..

As u are EX i know you can speak up now... But i wonder if you did when you were a screw???? You say you did????

But unless somebody can conferm this... I will stick to my guns with you.... as in...

IVE HEARD LITTLE DOGS FART BEFORE!!!

OUT

NWpostie · Post by **NWpostie** » 15 Oct 2007, 10:06

Ex RM Manager wrote:That's what I think the strikes should have been - a refusal to deliver the competitors mail. We lose money on those deliveries as the price - which I believe were SET BY POSTCOMM - is below the cost of the Final Mile, and PostComm know it. As we know, people can agree to things they don't want to happen, because the alternatives are even less preferable.

on that basis, if we are running at aloss, that would not be beneficial to anyone, if we are to make a choice fo either closing RM down or using Taxpayers money to make up for the loss, the Govt is the sole shareholder, they reap the Profit sand share the loss. shareholder are expected to stump up the cash to keep the company afloat, thats why Stockbrokers drop falling shares like a hot brick.

Ex RM Manager · Post by **Ex RM Manager** » 15 Oct 2007, 11:52

I can't say what I did because of an ongoing legal action. We all know they read this, best not to give them any ammo. I wasn't frontline.

For the record, I was never offered a bung, my bonus was paltry at best (certainly nowhere near the 'thousands' I have heard people say all managers get), and I NEVER scratched any backs to get up the pole, as you well know and I have stated many many times. The reason I left was precisely because I wasn't a "Yes-Man".

Post by **mailjock** » 15 Oct 2007, 12:08

From memory Postcomm did not set the first DSA agreement price - this was done by RM and the access company. I think that original agreement became the benchmark for the other DSA agreements.

Postcomm site states: 'Access agreements are commercial agreements, between Royal Mail and other postal operators, negotiated independently of Postcomm. . . . However, where companies are unable to agree with Royal Mail on a fair price for access, Postcomm is able to intervene to ensure that access is made available on appropriate terms.'

I know what some of the DSA mailers have made representations to Postcomm that the 'access price' is too high and they wanted a reduction but I haven't kept up to speed on those discussions as strike has taken up so much time.

Ex RM Manager · Post by **Ex RM Manager** » 15 Oct 2007, 13:19

I think the latter case is what happened - Postcomm set a price (that said, I could be wrong, but I don't see how it is concievable that the business would agree to charge less than cost for access to services)

jackdaw · Post by **jackdaw** » 15 Oct 2007, 14:39

The DSA prices were negotiated and signed off on by Adam Crozier, postcomm only steps in if there is trouble agreeing a price so we are losing money because the man in charge is useless!!

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