hope all the rest of the early starters wake up and smell the coffee like your good selfTuffers1875 wrote:Absorb 7 walks in an office of 27 walks when TNT start delivering their own mail we were told todayOk, what happens when the office can't cope with covering 7 walks? More overtime for extended which equals less profits for RM or more work that doesn't get delivered and back logs? Either way it's s**t street. And I for one won't be busting a gut to get finished early ever again. Go in on time, take your brake and fook em. That's what I say!
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Absorb 7 Walks
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aiden01
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Re: Absorb 7 Walks
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chrisj
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I think that you answered your own question: volumes and workload and delivery is not an exact science but a business should not over-employ; it makes no business sense!Lincox wrote:What happened to resourcing to workload then. If this was happening then overtime should only be minimal, purely because it is not possible to make this an exact science, but it should be suffice enough to make sure that employees are not over committing themselves and putting their health at risk. There is an immediate requirement to reintroduce maximum spans for outdoor delivery work. That would put the onus on managers and reps to properly resource to workload, and not just disregard it which I believe is what happens in the majority of offices.chrisj wrote:I think it is still cheaper to pay overtime at the same rate as the basic rate than employ more staff than you need especially when volumes are not consistent and the OT is not being paid all the time. Think about it?
As long as you are not doing ore than you were doing before then it is not a problem. Perhaps, the walks should be revised - completely revamped when the real situation has stabilised. A good revision/walk calibration to volumes is better for posties and RM than the wasteful and inefficient lapsing
As to be overworked, then perhaps your office is one of the lucky ones where the volumes are increasing: if that can be sustained then your walk should also be revised to reflect the situation. But I doubt it that you are always overworked or going over every day.
Contrast what you are saying to davey?? who wants to increase his daily hours to 9+ hours jus to keep hos 9-day fortnight...
What do you think the maximum span for delivery should be? And what is the span in your office? Reduce the span, increase the indoor work but that is only possible where you have a high number of part-time staff as the full-time staff will not have enough work to cover 7.48 hours. Or lose some staff? Which one do you want?
Overtime should be minimal but we still have walks/posties not being fully utilised and some offices that do not mind been short of staff so that some posties can rake in the OT.
Moreover, resourcing to workload does preclude a large amount of overtime - that is what it is for - keeping the staff light and not too much slack but paying OT when volumes suddenly spikes.
Proper resourcing to workload will require a lot of flexibility (no permanent walkholders) and monitoring (PDA monitoring, signing in and out and being ask to go back out)- neither RM or the Union and Staff are ready for that level of precision yet.
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Lincox
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You say that a business should not over employ. Nor should it under employ. We are seeing a service that is coming apart at the seams, and the only reason that this is not being brought to the attention of it,s regulator is falsification or non disclosure of facts surrounding compliance with the universal service. Every day of the week we are receiving trays of mail incorrectly labelled, incorrectly sorted from the Mail Centre. This mail has to be returned to our DO and therefore is delayed getting to the correct destination for onward posting. This has been going on for months and nothing is done about it. Mail centres are obviously under staffed. This company is being run on a shoe string and the only thing Moya Greene and company are concerned about is the share value. Health and Safety of staff is just paid lip service. A company cannot be run successfully in the long term if it fails to provide safe and secure conditions under which it,s employees have to work. All we are seeing at the moment is a work force being pushed to the limit, and a service that is disintegrating in front of our faces.
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chrisj
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I cannot relate to an office like yours or of a conclusion about things falling apart at the seams for RM or even the health and safety issues...
It appears that there is something wrong about your office in terms of composition on of staff - perhaps too many full time staff for such a small office resulting in longish delivery span because there is not enough indoor work.
You highlighted some issues with wrong labels from MC (and delayed mail for some of us) but you appear to expect absolute perfection - things do go wrong; it does not have to be a shortage of staff that results in wrong label or even delayed mail - human error???
Companies being run on a shoe string - really? We have a lot of posties that are not ready to use the SSOW and equipment given, coming in early, not taking breaks and doing all sorts of short cut to make it appear they are fast. the blame for some of the ills of RM is not just solely that of RM, managers or Unions - 'Man in the Mirror'.
BTW, only last week I worked with a fellow of your age - he also started later but not at 54 and he is retiring in about 20 weeks after dropping hours for about 2 years... He was not stressed much or fussed and told me, being a postman has been one of the easiest jobs he ever had - and that day we finished early despite taking our time, having a mini-break and being rained on.
All offices are not the same and it is not doom and gloom. Your office needs sorting out - or maybe you have just had enough; how many in your office feel like you?
Having said all that, it will not be much of a concern to you in another 2 weeks.
* You did not answered the question about the maximum delivery span and how this can be achieved.
So long and be happy!
It appears that there is something wrong about your office in terms of composition on of staff - perhaps too many full time staff for such a small office resulting in longish delivery span because there is not enough indoor work.
You highlighted some issues with wrong labels from MC (and delayed mail for some of us) but you appear to expect absolute perfection - things do go wrong; it does not have to be a shortage of staff that results in wrong label or even delayed mail - human error???
Companies being run on a shoe string - really? We have a lot of posties that are not ready to use the SSOW and equipment given, coming in early, not taking breaks and doing all sorts of short cut to make it appear they are fast. the blame for some of the ills of RM is not just solely that of RM, managers or Unions - 'Man in the Mirror'.
BTW, only last week I worked with a fellow of your age - he also started later but not at 54 and he is retiring in about 20 weeks after dropping hours for about 2 years... He was not stressed much or fussed and told me, being a postman has been one of the easiest jobs he ever had - and that day we finished early despite taking our time, having a mini-break and being rained on.
All offices are not the same and it is not doom and gloom. Your office needs sorting out - or maybe you have just had enough; how many in your office feel like you?
Having said all that, it will not be much of a concern to you in another 2 weeks.
* You did not answered the question about the maximum delivery span and how this can be achieved.
So long and be happy!
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Lincox
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You may be right in as much that I have had enough, and probably looking at some problems from a disillusioned point of view. However, having been employed by this business for 11 years , the last couple of years I have seen a massive decline in the way this company operates, both in terms for the customers, recipients, and the employees. For the employee I have seen Managers introduced that are unable to function, make decisions,unable to answer questions,unable to update us on a regular basis on changes, unable to provide holiday rotas in a timely manner. All things that managers from 5 years ago would have the authority and skills to deal with. The standards in which mail is received into the unit has deteriorated especially since walk sort machines were removed from our local delivery office and moved to mail centre. We lose time each day having to primary sort mail that should not have even been sent to our SPDO. Unfortunately we have to do this because there are the odd few bits and pieces that are for us. Walks which have become vacant are not filled. The walk that mine is linked to as a Park and Loop has no permanent cover and I do not know who I will be linked up with on a daily basis. Very often I have to work with someone who has no experience of the walk and this creates problems in terms of time out on delivery plus delivery mistakes for recipients. I could go on but no doubt you will look upon me as a whinging old git.
In terms of delivery span, if Royal Mail is serious about the health and welfare of it,s staff, then a delivery span which takes into account what can reasonably be expected of a person with no underlying medical or physical impairments, and not what we have at the moment which is a system with no span other than each individuals contracted hours. As we know many units now have Longs and Shorts which enables Royal Mail to place us under even more stress on those longer days.
This can easily be achieved by engaging specialists in this field and taking into account ergonomics of the equipment which is used, and the differing weather situations that we have to work in. If a Royal Marine struggles to carry out a 4 hour walk just delivering one slip of paper to each door on that walk, and that was for one day only, how can Royal Mail expect this to be done day in day out, five days a week, pushing trolleys laden with parcels, over longer spans.
In terms of the working day, there has to be a system whereby the indoor and outdoor work can be interchangeable throughout the day, in order that there are longer periods of rest from actual delivery. We now have vans, so it is easier to return to the DO, so for instance if the likes of flats and D2ds can be prepped for the following day, there is no reason why a return to the office to take into account a properly co-ordinated break and to carry out this indoor work is not a suitable way of creating a lengthy break from what at the moment can be a five to six hour torturous slog on hard pavements which is what is causing the amount of injuries the company is dealing with at the moment.
This may not be the only answer to what is a growing problem. It just needs the will of the chief executive and the board of directors to own this problem and seek ideas from the people who are having to do this on a daily basis to come up with the answers.
In terms of delivery span, if Royal Mail is serious about the health and welfare of it,s staff, then a delivery span which takes into account what can reasonably be expected of a person with no underlying medical or physical impairments, and not what we have at the moment which is a system with no span other than each individuals contracted hours. As we know many units now have Longs and Shorts which enables Royal Mail to place us under even more stress on those longer days.
This can easily be achieved by engaging specialists in this field and taking into account ergonomics of the equipment which is used, and the differing weather situations that we have to work in. If a Royal Marine struggles to carry out a 4 hour walk just delivering one slip of paper to each door on that walk, and that was for one day only, how can Royal Mail expect this to be done day in day out, five days a week, pushing trolleys laden with parcels, over longer spans.
In terms of the working day, there has to be a system whereby the indoor and outdoor work can be interchangeable throughout the day, in order that there are longer periods of rest from actual delivery. We now have vans, so it is easier to return to the DO, so for instance if the likes of flats and D2ds can be prepped for the following day, there is no reason why a return to the office to take into account a properly co-ordinated break and to carry out this indoor work is not a suitable way of creating a lengthy break from what at the moment can be a five to six hour torturous slog on hard pavements which is what is causing the amount of injuries the company is dealing with at the moment.
This may not be the only answer to what is a growing problem. It just needs the will of the chief executive and the board of directors to own this problem and seek ideas from the people who are having to do this on a daily basis to come up with the answers.
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lala
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Dare I suggest this, but could some offices have more "spare indoor time" because they are just more efficient at doing their jobs? Nothing to do with workloads, they are just "better at their jobs"?
Not that I am saying others are lazy/useless, but rather that an office could have a team of strong workers, plenty of experience and just gel as a team.
Not that I am saying others are lazy/useless, but rather that an office could have a team of strong workers, plenty of experience and just gel as a team.