dvbuk55 wrote:It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.
Maybe more likely, but certainly not "ensure"
Really? That is where management comes into the equation TBT who should ensure compliance and action taken if the clocking off procedure isn't followed.
Ensure is so final - it means 100% compliance, 100% of the time by 100% of the people involved.
Loading and unloading drills of PWs is meant to ensure safety when handling them. Yet negligent discharges still happen.
If RM managers were so good they would ensure the 7 Ps are in every agreement, action and task that they perform or expect their workers to. Yet its self evident to anyone working in deliveries for more than 7 days that 7ps is more like
Pass the Buck, Put the Blame elsewhere, Pretend it won't happen, Pile on the Pressure and Pass the Pastie instead of
Prior Preparation and Planning Prevent Piss Poor Performance.
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It works until something that should have been returned isn't, then it's he did he didn't, the person who created the return is answerable not the bloke who returns to the depot.
Clocking and out works perfectly well in other industries however I suspect that if it were introduced at Royal Mail it would simply be used it as another reason to discipline staff. In large Mail Centres swiping in and out of control areas would allow the business to have a robust Staff Hour Recording system which would, in theory, facilitate more accurate capacity planning with a better aliment of staffing to workload and also improve the accuracy product costing.
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dvbuk55 wrote:It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.
Maybe more likely, but certainly not "ensure"
We can't factor in management ineptitude, It's too big a number but I've had experience in other industries of clocking in/swipe cards and it's pretty easy to manage, If you're caught swiping someone else's card you're sacked.
That really is the end of it and it's hard to argue it isn't justified.
The other thing is the DOM would be swiping his favourites in or out, and who's to discipline him. The very people who are making time finishing up to two hours early are usually the chosen ones, the friends of the DOM, these are the people who could be taking out the extra bit of lapsing, or yesterdays cut offs, but no they go home early and management just bully someone else into doing the extras,usually the ones doing the job properly.
janitor wrote:The other thing is the DOM would be swiping his favourites in or out, and who's to discipline him. The very people who are making time finishing up to two hours early are usually the chosen ones, the friends of the DOM, these are the people who could be taking out the extra bit of lapsing, or yesterdays cut offs, but no they go home early and management just bully someone else into doing the extras,usually the ones doing the job properly.
Do you seriously think a DOM would take the risk of being dismissed for clocking people in and out? How long do you think before some kind officer bubbled him to his superior or even Moya?
Yes, have heard of DOMs doing much worse to help the chosen few,and of course the holy grail, to secure their bonus.Remember if these people had brains,they would never have made to the position of DOM in the first place. Have yet to find one with more than two brain cells.
dvbuk55 wrote:It would also ensure that everyone finished at their workplace to clock off and hand in their returns.
From a managers perspective that would mean less delivery time!
Everyone should return to the office NOW, park and loop return the van, HCT return the trolley everyone returns their PDA and all this should have been built into the delivery and would make no difference to delivery time.
In theory yes but from what happens in the office here as long as everything is either delivered or endorsed then the DOM doesn't care. Most walkers have a deal with the driver to do some extra delivery and go home with the driver returning the van, PDA's and 739's. Before you ask the extra is checked for any signed for etc and anything not likely to go through the box.
Can someone confirm that test letters are automatically detected on arrival in the delivery office (or whichever RM building they happen to be in) by some scanner?
The reason I ask is that if such technology exists then in theory it would be possible to detect when an employee arrived in the office, assuming they were wearing their ID badge and the badge has some kind of detectable chip (or whatever) on it. That way, clocking in/out would be possible without anyone having to queue up to clock in, and we wouldn't even have to remember to clock in/out because it would be done automatically.
Of course, the whole thing would fail if people didn't wear their ID badge.
villan wrote:Can someone confirm that test letters are automatically detected on arrival in the delivery office (or whichever RM building they happen to be in) by some scanner?
The reason I ask is that if such technology exists then in theory it would be possible to detect when an employee arrived in the office, assuming they were wearing their ID badge and the badge has some kind of detectable chip (or whatever) on it. That way, clocking in/out would be possible without anyone having to queue up to clock in, and we wouldn't even have to remember to clock in/out because it would be done automatically.
Of course, the whole thing would fail if people didn't wear their ID badge.
Well that would be easily solved because you would only be paid for the hours shown on the scanner, no ID card, no hours credited no pay - wouldn't take long to ensure you had your ID card.
As for your other question, the letters are scanned on receipt at the DO and when it leaves the DO by peculiar oblong dangly things from the loading bay.
I'm sure the CWU would be OK with ankle tags for its members with satellite tracking or one of those things my dog has in his neck.
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Prior Preparation and Planning Prevent Piss Poor Performance.
Not hard to see you are ex BUT where's my dog avatar? Have you killed him you monster, I know it was common practice in far flung fields to cull the animal population from barrack areas - or it was when I was a soldier.
The RFID in i.d cards idea is an option, and fulfils RMs most important requirement, its cheap rfid chips would cost pennies, but would it actually achieve anything, would someone walking in with two or three peoples id cards acknowledge one person carrying more than one card, or three people, so don't see what this would achieve.
janitor wrote:The RFID in i.d cards idea is an option, and fulfils RMs most important requirement, its cheap rfid chips would cost pennies, but would it actually achieve anything, would someone walking in with two or three peoples id cards acknowledge one person carrying more than one card, or three people, so don't see what this would achieve.
Christ and here's me thinking there are cameras around
villan wrote:Can someone confirm that test letters are automatically detected on arrival in the delivery office (or whichever RM building they happen to be in) by some scanner?
The reason I ask is that if such technology exists then in theory it would be possible to detect when an employee arrived in the office, assuming they were wearing their ID badge and the badge has some kind of detectable chip (or whatever) on it. That way, clocking in/out would be possible without anyone having to queue up to clock in, and we wouldn't even have to remember to clock in/out because it would be done automatically.
Of course, the whole thing would fail if people didn't wear their ID badge.
Why would RM even want to implement such a system? They get thousands of hours of free work the way it is at the moment. There is no incentive for RM to change anything
janitor wrote:The RFID in i.d cards idea is an option, and fulfils RMs most important requirement, its cheap rfid chips would cost pennies, but would it actually achieve anything, would someone walking in with two or three peoples id cards acknowledge one person carrying more than one card, or three people, so don't see what this would achieve.
Christ and here's me thinking there are cameras around
Maybe in the offices you work in there are, but none of the offices I have worked in had them, when one office I worked in got broken into the police, were gobsmacked to hear there was no security cameras.
