Royal Mail refuse to carry Britain First election leaflet

[baldrick]

Islam is in my opinion the biggest threat to civilization and world peace since Communism. For all current conflicts in the world at the moment, simply fill in the blank: Muslims vs _______?

Didn't Adolf Hitler say something similar about another religion?

[Tman]

Good going. The thread arrived at the "Hitler" comment in only one-and-a-bit pages.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Here we go again. Election material has to be checked by the EC before being distributed, and if it was deemed 'racist' it would have been banned anyway. Once again RM is behaving like the BBC and is vetting what it considers suitable for the plebs to see, and like the anti-BBC acts as self-appointed censor. Islam is in my opinion the biggest threat to civilization and world peace since Communism. For all current conflicts in the world at the moment, simply fill in the blank: Muslims vs _______? The leaflet hardly tells a reader what they don't already know.

THis post is so full of assumptions, inaccuracies and naivety its frightening.


Fishtank has tacked the inaccuracies.

Rm HAS to vet everything that it distributes, if it doesn't and send something later to be deemed illegal, it can, or representatives be charged with a criminal act.

The naivety comes from thinking Communism and Islam being the biggest threat to world peace, since in neither case can belief in one mean that you automatically support all versions of that particular belief system. The biggest threat is not Islam, Communism or even Christianity, is the perverted belief systems that some of all 3 of those groups try to force on the world.

Not all Communism is pro State Control and Suppression.
Not all Islam is anti Western or anti other religions.
Not all Christians believe in the Rapture, or try to bring about armageddon in the middle east.

As to current conflicts -

What about:

Ukraine - Left Separatists against a center/far right government.
Columbia - left wing separatists against government.
Naxalite–Maoist insurgency - in India.
Niger Delta - Ogoni and the Ijaw tribe fighting against exploitation ( as they see it)
The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA),-Christian Fundamentalists in West Africa.

[PHARRY]

Royalmail should deliver any material no matter what it says because Royalmail are a posting company

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Royalmail should deliver any material no matter what it says because Royalmail are a posting company

Any material So if the The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party started to campaign in this country you'd expect them to be allowed to promote their agenda.

[fishtank]

Royalmail should deliver any material no matter what it says because Royalmail are a posting company

My local Tesco is a shop but it doesn't sell AK47s and Cocaine just because it's a shop.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Since posting my previous post on this I found the relevant part that I assume Royal Mail are using to refuse to handle the election material concerned.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/part/III" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

19 Publishing or distributing written material.
(1)A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
(2)In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for an accused who is not shown to have intended to stir up racial hatred to prove that he was not aware of the content of the material and did not suspect, and had no reason to suspect, that it was threatening, abusive or insulting.
(3)References in this Part to the publication or distribution of written material are to its publication or distribution to the public or a section of the public.

As far as I can see, I haven't read it myself, but from what I understand, it not aimed at a specific race, therefore couldn't be considered a racist leaflet, its very lazy to slip into habit of accusing people of being racist with little foundation. the last time I checked Islam is a multi ethnic religion.

This leaves the threat to incite violence or similar. which is yet to be proved. some may support this party some may not, we the Royal mail must be politically impartial.

from the guy who made racist comments on this forum.

[halfull]

Royalmail should deliver any material no matter what it says because Royalmail are a posting company

My local Tesco is a shop but it doesn't sell AK47s and Cocaine just because it's a shop.

horrible comparison! AK47s and Cocaine are highly illegal & im pretty sure the britain first party is not illegal unless you know something we dont??
if they were an illegal party surely they would be banned?

[fishtank]

im pretty sure the britain first party is not illegal unless you know something we dont??

We're not talking about the party, we're talking about the campaign material which Royal Mail's expensive team of professional lawyers have had a shufty at and decided it's at least borderline and you the highly trained postie has decided isn't.
I'll take their word for it if it's ok with you.

[aiden01]

im pretty sure the britain first party is not illegal unless you know something we dont??

We're not talking about the party, we're talking about the campaign material which Royal Mail's expensive team of professional lawyers have had a shufty at and decided it's at least borderline and you the highly trained postie has decided isn't.
I'll take their word for it if it's ok with you.

[halfull]

im pretty sure the britain first party is not illegal unless you know something we dont??

We're not talking about the party, we're talking about the campaign material which Royal Mail's expensive team of professional lawyers have had a shufty at and decided it's at least borderline and you the highly trained postie has decided isn't.
I'll take their word for it if it's ok with you.

i have not decided anything about their campaign material! i said your comparison was horrible which it was!
And ak47's & cocaine are highly illegal in the real world not royal mail lawyer world lol
So yes your comparison was awful at best!
if caught with an ak47 or cocaine you are going straight to prison, im not so sure the same could be said if you were caught with a britain first leaflet lol

[NWpostie]

Since posting my previous post on this I found the relevant part that I assume Royal Mail are using to refuse to handle the election material concerned.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/part/III" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

19 Publishing or distributing written material.
(1)A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
(2)In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for an accused who is not shown to have intended to stir up racial hatred to prove that he was not aware of the content of the material and did not suspect, and had no reason to suspect, that it was threatening, abusive or insulting.
(3)References in this Part to the publication or distribution of written material are to its publication or distribution to the public or a section of the public.

As far as I can see, I haven't read it myself, but from what I understand, it not aimed at a specific race, therefore couldn't be considered a racist leaflet, its very lazy to slip into habit of accusing people of being racist with little foundation. the last time I checked Islam is a multi ethnic religion.

This leaves the threat to incite violence or similar. which is yet to be proved. some may support this party some may not, we the Royal mail must be politically impartial.

from the guy who made racist comments on this forum.

So says a guy who rides ZX135 from Bermondsey who only wants to see racism in everything and slap down any views that is contrary to his own, exactly like a fascist.

You obviously haven't read the initial post about about avoiding it being turned into a slagfest, go back in your box.

[wabbithunta]

@ zx135
Since when have I made a rascist comment on this forum? Show me where and when. You know nothing about me, about my background or family or anything at all come to that, and if you did then you'd know that I'm not that type of person. Kindly keep your inflaming and insulting derogatory comments to yourself.

If you wish to troll people then do so somewhere else.

[wabbithunta]

Since posting my previous post on this I found the relevant part that I assume Royal Mail are using to refuse to handle the election material concerned.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/part/III" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

19 Publishing or distributing written material.
(1)A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if—
(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
(2)In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for an accused who is not shown to have intended to stir up racial hatred to prove that he was not aware of the content of the material and did not suspect, and had no reason to suspect, that it was threatening, abusive or insulting.
(3)References in this Part to the publication or distribution of written material are to its publication or distribution to the public or a section of the public.

As far as I can see, I haven't read it myself, but from what I understand, it not aimed at a specific race, therefore couldn't be considered a racist leaflet, its very lazy to slip into habit of accusing people of being racist with little foundation. the last time I checked Islam is a multi ethnic religion.

This leaves the threat to incite violence or similar. which is yet to be proved. some may support this party some may not, we the Royal mail must be politically impartial.

from the guy who made racist comments on this forum.

So says a guy who rides ZX135 from Bermondsey who only wants to see racism in everything and slap down any views that is contrary to his own, exactly like a fascist.

You obviously haven't read the initial post about about avoiding it being turned into a slagfest, go back in your box.

Thank you NWpostie. I just posted a polite message back regarding this person's claim that I'm a racist and told him basically the same thing.

[fishtank]

Thank you NWpostie. I just posted a polite message back regarding this person's claim that I'm a racist and told him basically the same thing.

zx135 wasn't talking about you, your quote was just nested inside NWpostie's quote.