newtimes wrote:Simply_the_best, enjoy your holiday, on this referendum we will have different views, when I post and quotes are not used these are my words, so I will disagree with your last post. I had no intentions of joining the YES movement, its the biggest movement Scotland has seen, its happening. Slag it off, laugh at it , mock it, we do not care, we are getting Independence, that path can not be blocked.
You know how it is newtimes, you meet this gorgeous woman in a bar, she flatters you, tells you all the things you want to hear, buys you a drink and a bag of pork scratchings, invites you home, makes you a coffee then says she's not that kind of girl
In the unlikely event of a yes vote then nearly 50% of the electorate will be unhappy, 2 years down the line I reckon that figure will be nearer 80%, Salmond himself will probably deny ever voting Yes.
The English(westminster is the buzz word ) haters, and I've little doubt that there is a few on here but keep it in check, wil be the only happy ones, as they'll still blame the English for the economic mire we'll find ourselves in.
£3billion wiped off Shares yesterday and plenty were cheering the fact, you have to wonder if they have any idea how pension funds work
I'm still confident common sense will win the day and it'll be 60-40 NO.
simply_the_best wrote:
Any separitists know the risks of Sterlingisation?
Isn't that when Seriously Nasty Pollutants and other equally harmful lower forms of life infect all around them............... or am I getting that mixed up with sterilisation ?
Danelectro wrote:Former NO camp advisor jumping ship
Is he the kind of guy you want on board though? Once a turncoat always a turncoat, if you didn't believe his NO stance what makes his YES stance any more believable.
The amount of shite spouted by absolute ****ing bellends on this referendum is mind boggling people should READ ****ING BOOKS INSTEAD OF BLOGS!
its Scotland's oil! Eh no it's no even Britain's oil it's ****ing BP, Shell and Exxon's oil they just pay a sub charge to extract the oil and bring it ashore to be refined! If it was Scotland's oil why are none of these jackanory bastards promising you a vast reduction in fuel duty in the event of independence? Cause that's where the government make their ****ing money!
Scotland doesnae get the government it votes for vote for independence get them Tories oot! Eh I don't see English, Welsh and Ulster parents bemoaning about Scottish war criminals who lead us into wars for their pals Brown, Darling, Robertson, Cook and Scottish educated Anthony Blair and his wee jakeball bastard crony Alistair Campbell but hey it's all Etons fault eh
David Cameron is flogging the NHS off to all his pals! Eh if ye'd actually ****in read up on history ye'll find that a condition of an IMF loan is the government must sell off state assets to create a free market economy carrying out the the economic policies dreamt up by Milton Friedman and his Chicago Boys which is what's been going on since Labour sold the jersey's in 1976 and went for a £2billion bailout which then began the domino effect of closing pits selling off the railways BT, BP etc etc but hey it's wee Maggies fault the she devil as those pontificating socialists love to shout to anybody who cares! The IMF run this country these governments
Just carry out what their told to! It's why a ****ing Canadian is the gaffer at the Bank of England!!! You ****s think yer getting it rough now just thank The Lord ye live here and didnae have to truly suffer like the South Americans who were the guinea pigs to all this in the 70's!!!! What's John Swinney openly stated he's gonae do on the first day of independence? Aye borrow £2.5billion and that's just to start with!! Aye a better future for yer weans indeed is truly around the corner!!!
How can there be foodbanks in Scotland this is a disgrace!!! Aye how can there be when ye've £500m for a stupid parliament building £1.5billion for trams the majority of you will never use £2billion for a new forth road bridge £850m for a makeover for an Edinburgh shopping centre £200m for a shopping centre in Haymarket £billions to throw on the regeneration of the South side and east end of Glesga millions spent on the Hydro I mean how many ****ing concert venues does Glesga ****ing need? How much did they blow on that glorified school sports day the commonwealth games and the ****in Ryder cup? Aye but who gives a **** about peasants no being able to feed themselves give them a tin of beans and a cuppa soup!!!
We can be like Norway where their average wage is double ours? Aye it's also £8 for a pint, £18 to see a GP, £30 to visit a hospital, their roads have tolls and no free travel for OAPs that sounds ****ing jolly as ****!!
The bedroom tax oooft **** which amounts to £50million a year but the SNP decided we'll pay it this year for ye's well if they can pick it up this year THEY CAN ****ING DO IT EVERY YEAR!!!
It's oooor Pound!! Aye just what ye want another country setting your interest rates and borrowing rates I've always wanted to live in Greece let's have some of that hyper inflation and no jobs because Scotland is an economy built on the service industry all foreign owned that can be flat packed off to anywhere they want!!!!
But independence will deal with real social issues! Don't give us yer ****ing pish when this SNP government have pie'd the efforts of John Muir to deal with Scotland's real Weapons of Mass Destructiom THE ****ING KNIFE!!! They don't give a **** about oinks stabbing oinks unless they get the chance for a somber photo opportunity to show they care about ye!!! ****sake it was only 6 week ago there was a march in Glesga against the high volume of sex crimes in that city but hey there was more than enough coppers on the streets during the commonwealth games to make ye all feel safe eh!!
That's no even countering in jailing people for singing songs at fitba matches the polis handing out their special wee licences to the gangsters who meet their criteria to sell drugs on the streets for them without so much as a chap at their door!!!
Well, if they vote no, I think England should have a vote to whether it should break free from the union. Where would the little countries be without the Mother country then, eh?!
iminavest wrote:Attempting to fly a saltire above downing st and the three musketeers coming begging for votes.
Squeaky bum time indeed haha
Anyone would think they're sneakily trying to get rid of Scotland, as sending them three up can only help the "YES" campaign.
One thing that unites most of Scotland is a hatred of anything Tory. And there's nothing more Tory than Cameron, Clegg and Milliband (despite the parties the last two claim to represent).
Even Alex Salmond's wondering what the hell's going on.
If Scotland votes Yes on 18 September, there will be a run on the pound and we'll be plunged back into recession overnight.
The British Government and the Bank of England will move to calm the markets by confirming there will be no currency union, and iScotland is on its own.
All the major banks and financial institutions based in Scotland will announce that they are relocating to England, with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
The European Union will confirm that iScotland will begin life outside the EU and will need to apply for membership as a new entrant. In a strongly worded statement, they will emphasise that iScotland will not be granted any of the opt-outs the UK enjoys.
Many leading industrial employers will demand assurances from the Scottish government to protect their operations and trade. As none will be forthcoming, many will plan to relocate their operations outside iScotland, with the prospect of tens of thousands of job losses.
The British government will announce plans to relocate public sector operations and tens of thousands of jobs, such as at DFID and HMRC, south of the border. There will also be a defence review.
Inflation will start to rise. Food and other essentials will cost more in the shops. Mortgage rates will increase immediately, and lenders will start to warn about repossessions. Pensions and benefits will be worth less. There will be capital flight as savers and investors rush to get their money moved outside iScotland.
The British government will announce plans to erect border controls.
In an emergency meeting, the Scottish government will announce a series of austerity measures, tax rises, and plans to create a new Scottish currency.
Extreme? Possibly. But nothing the guessers are telling us is doing anything to allay any of these concerns. They are leading us to the edge of the precipice.
Have the National Scottish Democratic Abolishment Party (NSDAP) = NAZI Party gone mad they get a better deal than the rest of us all well time will tell don't think the EU will bale them out like the UK did.
We're just over a week away from the most important vote most of us will ever cast. It's the biggest decision we'll ever make. It's bigger than deciding whether or not to get married. It's bigger than deciding whether or not to buy a house, take a job, go to university etc. It's a decision that will have consequences for hundreds of years.
The Yes campaign have been asked time and again for a clear outline of their policies. What have they given us?
- Currency union with a massive degree of fiscal self-determination surrendered or sterlingisation with an independent Scotland deemed to be an international pariah who renege on debts and who wouldn't be able to borrow a pot to piss in on the international money markets.
- A structural deficit that's higher than in the rest of the UK.
- A pathological hatred of Trident but an absolute desire to be part of the NATO nuclear deterrent club.
- An assumption that the EU will welcome us with open arms.
- A 3% tax cut for corporations, paid for on the back of working people's wages and income tax and the everlasting oil revenues.
And what are the rest of the world telling us?
- The markets are telling us that a gain for Yes in the opinion polls devalues UK plc by over £2.5billion overnight.
- The bank of England is telling us that the financial controls needed by the BoE to make currency union even remotely viable would render independence all but impossible.
- Every financial institution worth their salt both home and abroad are telling us that a run on Scottish banks is inevitable.
- The EU are telling us that we'd be at the back of the queue for EU membership, that we'd need to wait at least 6 years before our application would be considered and that we would need to agree to the same new terms - the Euro, Schengen, less subsidies, no veto - as any other new entrant would be expected to agree.
Whats even more worrying is that a number of Yes voters believe that voting Yes doesn't endorse Salmond's white paper fantasy story blueprint for an independent Scotland. They'll tell you that they're voting for an idea of Scottish independence rather than Salmond's specific vision of independence. 2 of the 3 representatives on a nationally televised debate even told the electorate that they didn't back Salmond's white paper and that a vote for Yes wasn't a vote for Salmond's indie blueprint.
The truth? The truth is that by voting Yes, you endorse Salmond's white paper and you give him the mandate to negotiate on your behalf to try to achieve the aims set out in his white paper. You're not voting on a blank slate. You're not voting on the notion of independence with the negotiating team to be decided at a later date and the terms of negotiation to be decided once the negotiating team is in place. You're voting to give Alex Salmond the right to negotiate for independence on your behalf to his own agenda as stated in the white paper. If you don't back the white paper but vote for independence then chances are you won't be happy with whatever settlement Salmond eventually agrees. The Yes campaign have made a big thing about not getting the government that Scots vote for - what happens when you get the settlement you voted for by virtue of voting Yes but that you absolutely DIDN'T want?
And what happens if Salmond can't secure the settlement he wants? Does he go back to the electorate, hold his hands up and say that independence is off because the rest of the UK won't give him the deal he's demanded? Do we start again? Do we go back to the drawing board and try to negotiate a new settlement? How long does that go on for and what are the consequences of Salmond and his negotiating team failing to reach an agreement on what an independent Scotland would keep following independence? Is it possible to vote Yes, for Salmond to fail to secure the deal he wants and for Scotland to therefore remain part of the UK? The Yes voters are effectively giving Salmond a loaded gun in the hope that he hits some kind of target that they can recognise without causing any fatal wounds by accident or incompetence.
The rise in the support for independence is being driven by a pathological hatred of the Westminster political machine in working class communities that were decimated during the collapse of Scottish heavy industry. It's the politics of grudge and revenge and it's based on nothing but hate. We could well be on the path of hating ourselves towards an irreparable split that will cost Scotland dearly for hundreds of years.
That's what the Yes campaign has come down to. It has absolutely no answers but an abundance of hatred.
k979aaa wrote:Have the National Scottish Democratic Abolishment Party (NSDAP) = NAZI Party gone mad they get a better deal than the rest of us all well time will tell don't think the EU will bale them out like the UK did.
) haters, and I've little doubt that there is a few on here but keep it in check, wil be the only happy ones, as they'll still blame the English for the economic mire we'll find ourselves in.
jumping ship
Is he the kind of guy you want on board though? Once a turncoat always a turncoat, if you didn't believe his NO stance what makes his YES stance any more believable.
