overtime question

[newtimes]

If they are bringing in banking hours then there must be a framework, the hours you owe belongs to them, so when they owe you hours then can you just cut of early to get your hours back. So if they can not show you the framework then it does not exist. Is middle management trying even harder now to cause conflict and drive unstable industrial rest to justify their jobs. Christmas is going to be an interesting time.

[Lincox]

I think what we are seeing is the normal summertime assault which comes as a result of low levels of mail/parcels. Local managers are very obviously under major pressure to reduce costs when cash flow is low. So they will try all of the usual tricks to reduce hours, minimise overtime and generally fail to question upper management when the usual drivel comes down from above. They find it easier to fall out with the people that they rely on to get the job done, rather than have the bollcks to stand up to people who churn figures for a living.

[feduppostie]

am I alone in having a problem with people finishing early and happily going home ( without asking if there is extra work to take them up to their hours) and then demanding overtime for working over on other days

I'm sorry but my contract says 39 hours per week - I don't claim overtime until I have worked it! ( you can call me what you like)

Wise up people - hours are being slashed left right and center

If you finish early go back and work to your time then if you go over later in the week you can claim overtime ( or refuse it)

You are paid for your hours whatever they be just accept you have to work them before being paid overtime

you are making this easy for them

All well and good but the problem is there are days when extra work is not available, a good manager would know if there was work to be done and would inform the relevant office of what was expected for that day before the staff left for delivery. Unfortunately these are few and far between, however they take great joy in trying to implement a system that has no agreement nationally and certainly no legal basis either. How can you expect someone to organise their daily lives and circumstances if they do not know from one day to the next what their hours will be. It is no good quoting 39 hours a week when if you take your statement into consideration a person may be given work 5 hours one day and then be expected to work 12 hours the following day. How does this fit in with a fair work/social basis. How can someone who has to collect school schildren be expected to work on your basis. The stark facts are that Royal Mail should be making sure you have sufficient work to cover your duty hours on a daily basis. If they are unable to do this they have two choices. Send you home and pay you for the time you have been contracted to work, or ask you to remain at the delivery office until your duty time expires (just as someone working in a shop or office would have to). What they are not entitled to do is roll over any non worked time to another day, unless someone like yourself is happy to work on this basis of banking hours. Some are, but there are many that are not able to do so.

and that is in a roundabout way what I was trying to say - If you come back before your finish time then stay and do something - PBO - put out D2D - find yourself something and do it, check your frame - rewrite it anything- work your hours every day and then there is never a question of banking - by skipping off home early when it is light people leave themselves wide open to this sort of thing, then moan when expected to finish on heavy days

They can only ask you to flex if you have taken advantage of finishing early

[Lincox]

That is not correct |Fedup. They can ask you to flex if there is a an unforeseen event such as a vehicle breakdown, or an unusual excess of mail. Read the flexibility agreement contained within Pay and Modernisation Agreement (2007 I think)