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Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
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dvbuk55
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IloveMYredTROLLEY!
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
Not all of us need silly workload weeks like the one facing us to have our job protected, some of us have >60mins excess workload on a normal day (while doing normal IPS/portering etc.) without messing about with 40% "normal" D2Ds on Mon and Tues.
Not of of us act like charity volunteers coming in early.
Not all of us get told we can stop doing general indoor work (IPS, parcel sorting, portering) and concentrate on our own prep all morning, even though o/t records shows the walks are not close to achievable within contract hours.
Not all of us get away with dumping dubious oversize/overweight parcels in the driver yorks.
Not all of us sacrifice our paid breaks.
Not all of us ignore delivery methods by delivering by pouch in non-tenement sections, saving time, but ignoring h&s and mail security rules.
Not all of us filter mail for the next address while on the move, saving time but risking a blameworthy trip.
Not all of us are trying to deliver anything like 19 attendance call items per 500 drops, far more is the norm.
Not all of us "help" customers by doorstepping parcels in insecure locations.
Not all of us have realistic travelling time incorporated into the duty.
etc. etc.
Not of of us act like charity volunteers coming in early.
Not all of us get told we can stop doing general indoor work (IPS, parcel sorting, portering) and concentrate on our own prep all morning, even though o/t records shows the walks are not close to achievable within contract hours.
Not all of us get away with dumping dubious oversize/overweight parcels in the driver yorks.
Not all of us sacrifice our paid breaks.
Not all of us ignore delivery methods by delivering by pouch in non-tenement sections, saving time, but ignoring h&s and mail security rules.
Not all of us filter mail for the next address while on the move, saving time but risking a blameworthy trip.
Not all of us are trying to deliver anything like 19 attendance call items per 500 drops, far more is the norm.
Not all of us "help" customers by doorstepping parcels in insecure locations.
Not all of us have realistic travelling time incorporated into the duty.
etc. etc.
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Chelseablue
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
The second one is prob the one that's causing most animosity in most offices amongst staff. Is this just to cause friction amongst staff?
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joeyuk
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
Well my day off is Thursdays so will miss the bulk of this. Only problem is who they partner me up with for this week as my normal partner has not done the walk for 2 months. Will get the D2Ds done on by wednesday, lucky with only have 700 drops between the 2 rounds so not as heavy as others. Both our frames only 5 sections so we normally slip D2DS to 1/5th each day with none on Saturday so will just mean double on Monday/Tuesday which we normally do on Tuesday to lighten up Wednesday.
Has anyone see them yet, can see them being thick and not fitting in the frame with mail.
Has anyone see them yet, can see them being thick and not fitting in the frame with mail.
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pharris
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
Are these newspapers going to be 12 pages unfolded and 24 pages folded or 24 pages unfolded and a staggering 48 pages folded??
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stephenb19578
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Re: Sun giveaway
. I just hope more offices close to liverpool do the same. JFT96aiden01 wrote:TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Royal Mail Workers at the Skelmersdale Depot have just released the following Statement
re: delivering the S*n next week
Next Thursday & Friday the sun plan to send out through royal mail 22million copies of a world cup edition of the sun
Liverpool, Warrington and some CH postcodes are exempt from this,however as it stands the staff in Skelmersdale are being told we will have to deliver them
with the backing of the CWU this morning we informed them that if any copies of the sun cross the gates we will walk out
weve been urging people today to voice their concerns about this by ringing customer services
any support would be greatly appreciated,lets stop 60,000 copies of that shite going out
customer services number is 03457740740, get this around twitter ,facebook etc
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sophie97
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
How will this affect floaters?
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arnold cheshire
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ideally someone should write down what streets theyve done so you has floater know what areas left to dosophie97 wrote:How will this affect floaters?
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chrisj
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
I think it is best to do them loop by loop; making sure the loop are done completely and noted so the floater knows what is left to do.
I will propose to my partner that we do all of one walk on Thursday and all of the second walk the next day... Given that one of the walks is a lot bigger than the next and has no firms, we should do that on Thursday and claim OT if need be. Except that the bloke does collection???
The issue of doing all the D2Ds in 3 days before the Newspaper (not d2d) is curious. I think they just do not want people nesting and/or give the customer the impression that they are deluged with rubbish.
I think most of the d2ds could have been done by wednesday and the rest should not really make too much of a difference if delivered with the newspaper.
As long as it does not rain* - a 24-page newspaper can be managed using a LWT. *The rain will just make delivery slower because one cannot keep too many papers with bundles - in and out of LWT...
I will propose to my partner that we do all of one walk on Thursday and all of the second walk the next day... Given that one of the walks is a lot bigger than the next and has no firms, we should do that on Thursday and claim OT if need be. Except that the bloke does collection???
The issue of doing all the D2Ds in 3 days before the Newspaper (not d2d) is curious. I think they just do not want people nesting and/or give the customer the impression that they are deluged with rubbish.
I think most of the d2ds could have been done by wednesday and the rest should not really make too much of a difference if delivered with the newspaper.
As long as it does not rain* - a 24-page newspaper can be managed using a LWT. *The rain will just make delivery slower because one cannot keep too many papers with bundles - in and out of LWT...
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5plusbonusball
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
at least it will give our managers something to do for half an hour - read the sun, then have 4 hour break then go home 
Why are lino's paid full-time ??
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RTP
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Re: Sun giveaway
And if you believe that you'll believe anythingTrueBlueTerrier wrote:To: All Branches with POSTAL Members
Dear Colleague,
Project Pride - Door 2 Door Item 12th & 13th June 2014
Branches and CWU representatives will be aware of the fact that Royal Mail operates in an extremely competitive environment for direct mail and advertising revenue. The CWU recognises this and continues to support the businesses drive to increase revenue through growth in addressed and unaddressed products in order to protect jobs and terms and conditions. There is however a significant number of Door to Door customers that Royal Mail cannot currently capture for a variety of reasons and these potential customers end up advertising through competitors, using television, radio, press or other mail carriers such as TNT who as we are all aware are eating into what was traditional workload in Royal Mail. TNT is also the largest competitor in the D2D market.
In order to improve Royal Mail’s prospects of capturing more work and revenue in this competitive market we agreed at short notice to a D2D drop back in March in an attempt to get a foothold in this particular sector. The intention at the time was to demonstrate to customers in this area of the market that Royal Mail can cope with this type of contract, and that remains our objective.
Unfortunately Royal Mail did not deliver on its original commitment to the CWU in terms of information share, involvement and planning and we have had to urgently attempt to put things in place to avoid what can only be described as a commercial disaster waiting to happen. Below for the information of our Branches and representatives is an extract from the original exchange of emails on the 6th and 7th March 2014 to demonstrate the basis on which we agreed to support this contract. Please note that we are not informed who the customer is at this stage.
Royal Mail email
I agree it is unlikely to be prepped into the frame and it will increase the call rate and replenishment. The average call rate is around 82% for Thu and Fri and this rises to 85 with D2D at 1/6th per day. With this contract over two days, it would move to around 91%.
June is a low month for D2D in general and this week was only 53m last year v an average of 62m. Even with the World Cup we are not seeing a significant increase in demand. The special Event Planning team have not flagged any issues.
I appreciate this is short notice – I was asked to join a call Tuesday pm and it was only yesterday that the customer confirmed they would like Thu and Fri.
At present I am looking for your support to work through this, so that we can confirm it is possible to the customer. If they decide to go ahead I would appreciate your support in working up the solution, along with the delivery and special event teams.
CWU email
This will take careful planning to get it right and get the items delivered to the timescale. On the basis that we have the commitment from Royal Mail to provide a joint statement ASAP and put in place sufficient time for this to be planned at local level with Area and Divisional input if necessary we can agree to your request.
Branches and representatives may ask themselves why we are cooperating when Royal Mail failed to deliver on its original commitment. The reason is that in the last few days others within their organisation realised the seriousness of the situation and agreed to get round the table to try and sort this out, hence the lateness of the joint statement. Additionally we have been assured by those people that this will never happen again, and perhaps it is a good example of what could happen when the CWU is not involved. Furthermore we as a Union have a responsibility to our members to work with Royal Mail to stem the threat of competition and the associated loss of workload and revenue, and to bring as much work as possible into our workplaces to help protect jobs and terms and conditions, that is why we agreed to the contract in the first place. Putting aside the lack of involvement and operational concerns we want this to be a success.
As far as the joint statement is concerned we have attempted to put in place things we believe will assist our representatives arrive at sensible operational arrangements through dialogue with their local managers, recognising that this will require willingness and commitment on their part as well to bring this about. Whatever was agreed in respect of resourcing to workload for next week will need to be reviewed in light of the joint statement and that is not maybe or might be that is a will be and is an essential requirement of the joint statement. We have attempted not to be too prescriptive but have attempted to provide guidance and examples of what probably needs to be put in place to support our members and the operation over the whole week including any jointly identified additional resource being paid at SA rate. Serious consideration will also need to be given to the provision of replenishment and the feeder runs required to support this, and it is important that H&S issues are taken fully into consideration indoor and outdoor.
Attached to this LTB are the postcodes where the items are being provided for delivery and those that have been excluded, additionally those units who are due to receive more than 6 items are also included for information purposes and will need to be factored into local discussions.
Finally we have recognised the sensitivity of this contract that will undoubtedly stir sentiment and raise concerns and emotion in some of our members and quite rightly so. This will need to be dealt with sympathetically and with complete respect for the wishes of those concerned.
It would be appreciated if all Branches could please ensure that this LTB is circulated to all Delivery offices and CWU Delivery representatives without delay.
Any enquiries to Bob Gibson’s Office, quoting reference 230.03
Email address: hnutley@cwu.org
Yours sincerely

Bob Gibson - CWU Assistant Secretary
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Tuffers1875
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
meh
Fk em, that's my attitude. Stupid job anyway.
Fk em, that's my attitude. Stupid job anyway.
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Chelseablue
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
We used to do a free newspaper years ago as a d to d ,,
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justdeno
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
Same here, county council paper until 2 years ago.Chelseablue wrote:We used to do a free newspaper years ago as a d to d ,,
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comeracing
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Re: Sun giveaway:D2D 12/13 JUNE
our dom has said put them all in on Wednesday when we get to office and on Thursday deliver them to were you are going with mail then finish the rest on friday